Triple G Vs Brook

[VOON 1,317]

Tyson at his best was very good, he had that aura of invincibility, but I don't think he had the mind of a champion, his mindset wasn't right......Ali,foreman,Liston,Lewis, Holmes and maybe Frazier in their prime would have beaten him....even his namesake Fury might have the ringsmarts to trouble him.....he's definitely one of the most exciting fighters of all time...when he was getting his own way....

[nans pat 2,575]

talk now of gg fighting mayweather.bet mayweather will regret sayin no white boy would ever bate him lol...gg walk him down n stop him.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

.I've always stated he was naturally the bigger man but he wasn't the bigger man on the scales on both days, this is a fact. Golovkin could make Light Middleweight so there's not a massive size difference between them. Brook and Golovkin are a lot closer in size than Khan and Canelo.

 

I don't claim to know more than any other person, Ginger Nackers was giving it the big one so I put him in his place...

 

Come on then please tell, what experiences? I've boxed as an amatuer as a young teenager and have been quite good at other sports, doesn't make me an expert.

 

Oh but I was born before Tyson was champ so you're wrong there matey, I don't think age automatically makes someone more knowledgeable on a subject anyway.

 

Don't leave us hanging, you turned pro? What weight and what's your record???

 

Ive discussed my career many times it was nothing to write home about in terms of achievement,at the time it kept a roof over our heads and paid the bills nothing more nothing less which was why i followed the money sharing rings with big names of the day in the best stable of fighters in the country at that time in some of the best gyms in the country.... i dont use my experience in any sort of " i know best " kind of way i,ll talk about boxing with anyone mate it doesnt matter to me how much a man knows or doesnt know im still passionate about the sport so enjoy sharing thoughts with others who are also,however when a person loses their manners and starts being cocky saying things like " ive forgot more than you,ll ever know " when they are not really in a position to then like anyone else i dont much appreciate that.

 

As regards Tyson my opinions are mostly based on conversations in great length over many years with 1 man who fought him and 2 trainers who went up against him......with every respect you sound not uncommon of guys who have only ever really seen him on documentaries/youtube and what not and while i admit he was a cracking boxing story and a massively exciting fighter......he never beat a great fighter and was seriously exposed by any top fighter he fought and so all that combined make me feel he was very overated.........................now come on be honest,i bet you were no more than a babe in arms when Tyson first won the title wasnt you ? ....a toddler at most

Edited September 16, 2016 by gnasher16

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I hope that skank keep digging paid up

[gnasher16 30,121]

As an ex boxer I can't believe Gnasher doesn't rate Tyson and his technical brilliance. He was severely lacking in height and reach and used amazing skills to basically clear out the division. Although his highlight knockouts and combinations were stunning the most impressive part of his game was his defence.

Ive never said i didnt rate him....he was fantastic for the era he was in.......i can be technically the best footballer in the world playing against 7 year olds but once i step up in class my technique will be exposed.................yes Tyson looked magnificent until he stepped up in class.......many people like to give him excuses for his performance but as a former fighter i believe we should be judged on what we was not what we might have been.....myself included.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

.I've always stated he was naturally the bigger man but he wasn't the bigger man on the scales on both days, this is a fact. Golovkin could make Light Middleweight so there's not a massive size difference between them. Brook and Golovkin are a lot closer in size than Khan and Canelo.

 

I don't claim to know more than any other person, Ginger Nackers was giving it the big one so I put him in his place...

 

Come on then please tell, what experiences? I've boxed as an amatuer as a young teenager and have been quite good at other sports, doesn't make me an expert.

 

Oh but I was born before Tyson was champ so you're wrong there matey, I don't think age automatically makes someone more knowledgeable on a subject anyway.

 

Don't leave us hanging, you turned pro? What weight and what's your record???

 

Ive discussed my career many times it was nothing to write home about in terms of achievement,at the time it kept a roof over our heads and paid the bills nothing more nothing less which was why i followed the money sharing rings with big names of the day in the best stable of fighters in the country at that time in some of the best gyms in the country.... i dont use my experience in any sort of " i know best " kind of way i,ll talk about boxing with anyone mate it doesnt matter to me how much a man knows or doesnt know im still passionate about the sport so enjoy sharing thoughts with others who are also,however when a person loses their manners and starts being cocky saying things like " ive forgot more than you,ll ever know " when they are not really in a position to then like anyone else i dont much appreciate that.

 

As regards Tyson my opinions are mostly based on conversations in great length over many years with 1 man who fought him and 2 trainers who went up against him......with every respect you sound not uncommon of guys who have only ever really seen him on documentaries/youtube and what not and while i admit he was a cracking boxing story and a massively exciting fighter......he never beat a great fighter and was seriously exposed by any top fighter he fought and so all that combined make me feel he was very overated.........................now come on be honest,i bet you were no more than a babe in arms when Tyson first won the title wasnt you ? ....a toddler at most

I don't know nothing about your career, what weight did you fight at? Any decent names on your resume? Well you took it further than me, I only boxed till my mid teens and packed it in once I got the taste for beer and women buy hey ho.

 

I've seen every single fight of his professional career and seen plenty of his amatuer bouts aswell as lots of sparring videos. No disrespect but I'm guessing you've only seen him on videos and documentaries just like me?

 

Never beat a great? Spinks although not a big heavyweight beat the man who ruled the division for years in Holmes, Tyson destroyed him. His knockout of Holmes is overlooked. Holmes was slightly past it but he later went on to give a prime Holyfield all he could handle and beat Ray Mercer. Although his skills had diminished badly, the time off whilst in prison was the final nail in the coffin, after that he was just the name and a shadow of his former self. Saying that it was massively impressive how he came back and won the title off Bruno. Not overrated at all imo Infact I think nowadays he's underrated.....

Edited September 16, 2016 by DogFox123

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

As an ex boxer I can't believe Gnasher doesn't rate Tyson and his technical brilliance. He was severely lacking in height and reach and used amazing skills to basically clear out the division. Although his highlight knockouts and combinations were stunning the most impressive part of his game was his defence.

Ive never said i didnt rate him....he was fantastic for the era he was in.......i can be technically the best footballer in the world playing against 7 year olds but once i step up in class my technique will be exposed.................yes Tyson looked magnificent until he stepped up in class.......many people like to give him excuses for his performance but as a former fighter i believe we should be judged on what we was not what we might have been.....myself included.

Let's be honest he would have been a great in any era, there's not a boxer who ever lived who is a certainty to beat him at his peak IMO.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Tyson at his best was very good, he had that aura of invincibility, but I don't think he had the mind of a champion, his mindset wasn't right......Ali,foreman,Liston,Lewis, Holmes and maybe Frazier in their prime would have beaten him....even his namesake Fury might have the ringsmarts to trouble him.....he's definitely one of the most exciting fighters of all time...when he was getting his own way....

Frazier no, just no. Frazier matches up against Tyson terribly.

[MickC 1,825]

Buster Douglas got Tyson at the right time simple as that,he had done nothing in his career before the Tyson fight and he did nothing in his career after the Tyson fight. It was well documented that Tyson was skipping training,King was sending prostitutes round to the training camp he was partying hard and not living the life of a boxer at all.So messed up was Tyson for the Douglas fight that the sparring partners he had been using pooled all there money together and backed Tyson to lose. He had been dropped heavily in one of the last sparring sessions by Greg Page and that was the catylst for them to back against him.Tyson still managed to knock Douglas out first that night in the eighth round but then Douglas knocked him out in the tenth iirc.

Edited September 18, 2016 by MickC

[DogFox123 1,379]

Buster Douglas got Tyson at the right time simple as that,he had done nothing in his career before the Tyson fight and he did nothing in his career after the Tyson fight. It was well documented that Tyson was skipping training,King was sending prostitutes round to the training camp he was partying hard and not living the life of a boxer at all.So messed up was Tyson for the Douglas fight that the sparring partners he had been using pooled all there money together and backed Tyson to lose. He had been dropped heavily in one of the last sparring sessions by Greg Page and that was the catylst for them to back against him.Tyson still managed to knock Douglas out first that night in the eigth round but then Douglas knocked him out in the tenth iirc.

Douglas was a massively talented fighter but he was also a massive fan of fast food, he had the skills to be an ATG. Tyson might have been slacking in training but that doesn't take anything away from Busters performance that night. Come on don't tell me you belive the long count tripe? Douglas had all his senses after the knockdown, he timed the count perfectly, got up and gave Tyson the drubbing of a lifetime.

[MickC 1,825]

We will agree to disagree on the count How many fighters since have been counted out still with all there senses but getting the timing of the count wrong ? Chisoras American opponent springs to mind.

Tyson came along when the Heavyweight division was stagnant with no stand out fighters,even Spinks was just a pumped up Light Heavy.He was a like a breath of fresh air for boxing as he marched through all his opponents and title fights before the Douglas fight destroying nearly everybody he faced with raw power and agression.Everybody loves a ko specialist who just goes in there and dismantles opponents in brutal fashion and this is what made Tyson so popular and also what gave him his invincable aura.However at the same time Manny Steward from the Kronk gym said that even though Tyson had achieved so much at a young age that he would burn out and whichever way you look at it and for whatever reasons this is what happened to Mike Tyson.For a few years Tyson was the dominant fighter of the heavyweight division,some other ATG never dominated the Heavyweight division but are still regarded as ATG so yes I do rate Tyson. As for people saying how he would have fared facing other fighters like Ali,Marciano,Louis,foreman etc etc is all just speculation as these fights never happened so who knows what the out comes would have been.

Edited September 16, 2016 by MickC

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http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

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http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Interesting read, and I don't blame Tyson them ramrod arms must've been hell for smaller boxers

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http://coxscorner.tripod.com/foreman_tyson_fl.html

Interesting read, and I don't blame Tyson them ramrod arms must've been hell for smaller boxers

 

Whether Foreman bet him or not, the real interesting bit is the little insight into Tyson's pysche, and the fragility of it..........