arcticgun 4,548 Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Read Tysons book real good read, it sort of leaves you with the impression that we never saw the finished article and only seen damaged goods after the loss of his mentor a Cus, had all his stars been in line and Cus lived ten more years. I grew up watching Tysons rise and seen his fall but even after all that n documentaries etc the book was a real eye opener, amazing just how far he got as a car crash he was from loosing Cus, amazing fighter, lived some life now a lot more humble for it too 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,972 Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Read Tysons book real good read, it sort of leaves you with the impression that we never saw the finished article and only seen damaged goods after the loss of his mentor a Cus, had all his stars been in line and Cus lived ten more years. I grew up watching Tysons rise and seen his fall but even after all that n documentaries etc the book was a real eye opener, amazing just how far he got as a car crash he was from loosing Cus, amazing fighter, lived some life now a lot more humble for it too This is impressive AG. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 As an ex boxer I can't believe Gnasher doesn't rate Tyson and his technical brilliance. He was severely lacking in height and reach and used amazing skills to basically clear out the division. Although his highlight knockouts and combinations were stunning the most impressive part of his game was his defence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Read Tysons book real good read, it sort of leaves you with the impression that we never saw the finished article and only seen damaged goods after the loss of his mentor a Cus, had all his stars been in line and Cus lived ten more years. I grew up watching Tysons rise and seen his fall but even after all that n documentaries etc the book was a real eye opener, amazing just how far he got as a car crash he was from loosing Cus, amazing fighter, lived some life now a lot more humble for it too We will never know how good Tyson could have been if damato lived longer but I believe he would have been even better for much longer if damato hadn't passed away. I still believe Tyson at his best would have beaten any man at their best in a boxing match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Read Tysons book real good read, it sort of leaves you with the impression that we never saw the finished article and only seen damaged goods after the loss of his mentor a Cus, had all his stars been in line and Cus lived ten more years. I grew up watching Tysons rise and seen his fall but even after all that n documentaries etc the book was a real eye opener, amazing just how far he got as a car crash he was from loosing Cus, amazing fighter, lived some life now a lot more humble for it too We will never know how good Tyson could have been if damato lived longer but I believe he would have been even better for much longer if damato hadn't passed away. I still believe Tyson at his best would have beaten any man at their best in a boxing match. I think that's over played, lets not forget Tyson became champ after Cus died. At the end of the day it's remarkable his title reign lasted so long coming where he came from and so young. It just goes to show no matter how dominant you are and how invincible you think you are if you take the sport half hearted and slack on training it won't be long before you will be found wanting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career. His style under Rooney was as much about defence as it was offence, that's what made him so great. After he sacked Rooney he thought he could just go in and outslug fighters and he could with most but Douglas taught him the hard way. I know Gnasher likes to slag Tyson off and repeats the usual cliche drivel that Tyson didn't like being hit back. The man took a proper beating that night in Tokyo and showed a massive amount of heart with a great chin to match Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Read Tysons book real good read, it sort of leaves you with the impression that we never saw the finished article and only seen damaged goods after the loss of his mentor a Cus, had all his stars been in line and Cus lived ten more years. I grew up watching Tysons rise and seen his fall but even after all that n documentaries etc the book was a real eye opener, amazing just how far he got as a car crash he was from loosing Cus, amazing fighter, lived some life now a lot more humble for it too We will never know how good Tyson could have been if damato lived longer but I believe he would have been even better for much longer if damato hadn't passed away. I still believe Tyson at his best would have beaten any man at their best in a boxing match. You can't facto in how good someone "could" of been for all we know he may have been worse if damato hadn't died and if you judge someone on potential then the greatest boxer of all time judging by potential is probably someone who no one has ever heard of that got injured/killed/went to prison or simply never even went through the ropes you can only go off what happened and in Tyson's case he wasnt a dominant champ and wouldn't have been in any era from what we saw. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career.His style under Rooney was as much about defence as it was offence, that's what made him so great. After he sacked Rooney he thought he could just go in and outslug fighters and he could with most but Douglas taught him the hard way. I know Gnasher likes to slag Tyson off and repeats the usual cliche drivel that Tyson didn't like being hit back. The man took a proper beating that night in Tokyo and showed a massive amount of heart with a great chin to matchBuster Douglas was a mediocre boxer who exposed MT in his prime thems the facts. Edited September 16, 2016 by JDHUNTING 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career.His style under Rooney was as much about defence as it was offence, that's what made him so great. After he sacked Rooney he thought he could just go in and outslug fighters and he could with most but Douglas taught him the hard way. I know Gnasher likes to slag Tyson off and repeats the usual cliche drivel that Tyson didn't like being hit back. The man took a proper beating that night in Tokyo and showed a massive amount of heart with a great chin to matchBuster Douglas was a mediocre boxer who exposed MT in his prime thems the facts. Mediocre? I alright..... Tyson wasn't at his peak IMO.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Mike tyson was good. But vastly overrated Yeah, winning the title at 20 and clearing the division out in devastating fashion, proper overrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career.His style under Rooney was as much about defence as it was offence, that's what made him so great. After he sacked Rooney he thought he could just go in and outslug fighters and he could with most but Douglas taught him the hard way. I know Gnasher likes to slag Tyson off and repeats the usual cliche drivel that Tyson didn't like being hit back. The man took a proper beating that night in Tokyo and showed a massive amount of heart with a great chin to matchBuster Douglas was a mediocre boxer who exposed MT in his prime thems the facts.Mediocre? I alright..... Tyson wasn't at his peak IMO.... When was his peak? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tyson coming from his background and the way he lived was always going to self implode and that is what happened,even Holmes said before he fought him that in the end Tyson would go down in history as a "sob".Did we see the best of him or not ? Who knows but for a while he was untouchable.People say Cus dying was the beginning of the end for Tyson but he only had something like 15 pro fights before Cus died,when Tyson did go down hill was when Don King "advised" him to get rid of his trainer Keving Rooney.Once Tyson got rid of Rooney he was no longer the fighter he was,gone was the head movement and blistering combinations and he instead he relied on frightening his opponents and gave up his peek a boo style of boxing to basicsally just intimidate his opponent and just resorted to out slugging them. Tysons last fight under Rooney was Spinks and we all saw how devestating he was that night,I know its a long call but the condition and frame of mind he was in that night he would have beaten anybody,that was Tyson at his brooding,menacing best.How did Don King get Tyson to get rid of Rooney ? he told him that a black World champion should and could not have a white trainer ! And then proceeded to bleed him dry as well as other shenanigans that was detrimnental to Tysons career.His style under Rooney was as much about defence as it was offence, that's what made him so great. After he sacked Rooney he thought he could just go in and outslug fighters and he could with most but Douglas taught him the hard way. I know Gnasher likes to slag Tyson off and repeats the usual cliche drivel that Tyson didn't like being hit back. The man took a proper beating that night in Tokyo and showed a massive amount of heart with a great chin to matchBuster Douglas was a mediocre boxer who exposed MT in his prime thems the facts.Mediocre? I alright..... Tyson wasn't at his peak IMO....When was his peak? Well I'd say his skills had started deteriorating in the Bruno fight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 If Tyson is overrated then Joe Louis is doubly overrated, he couldn't even win the title before being KTFO.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 If Tyson is overrated then Joe Louis is doubly overrated, he couldn't even win the title before being KTFO.... What has joe louis getting knocked out before winning a title got to do with tyson being over rated ? Few folk on this were right you don't know much other than what you've read you just seam to spout shite stats and facts you've got from the net .I can envision you reign as the number one daft of the world goin unchallenged for a while. How the hell is he overrated you numpty? Like I said, I've forgotten more about boxing than you'll ever know window licker..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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