Triple G Vs Brook

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Do you think his disregard for defense was maybe because he didnt see Brook as much of a threat??...he said after Brook didnt hit like a middleweight

[DogFox123 1,379]

Bjs beats Ggg i wasn't that impressed with gennady he didn't have any defence and brook was tagging him pretty easily I think Eubank could beat him also

Dreaming pal, name the price and I mean any price if you believe that rubbish...

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I think Brookes corner did the right thing,

G was getting right on top and Brooke hands down giving it the come on told its own story.

Brave effort just not good enough for G at that weight.

The way he cuts down a ring and gives his opponent not a breath is something as well as his natural heavy hands.

 

What do folks think a GGG at his best v. Nigel Benn at his best contest would of thrown up ???

 

It would of been one for the fans.

Benn is my favourite British fighter but I think GGG would have stopped him badly. The man hasn't been wobbled once, would have been interesting to see how he would have taken a shot off someone with the power of Benn.....

Loved both Benn and Eubank in their day both would of jumped at fighting GGG

I doubt it...they both avoided Roy Jones Jr...and Benn admits that!

They had both left Middleweight by the time Jones came on the scene.

Jones was in the mix 90-91 when they was both still fighting at middleweight it was in the boxing papers at the time...Benn said years after he didnt want to fight him...same with James Toney and Micheal Nunn they avoided them...then look to the generation of middleweights before them...Finnegan,Sibbson and Minter...what these British Middleweights had in common is they all fought the best out there...all fought and lost to Hagler (Finnegan twice within 6weeks losing both times on cuts!)...remind me dogfox who was it Eubank gave up his WBC belt to avoid??

It was the mid 90's when Benn mentioned Jones....

 

Jones didn't even win a world title while 93 so you're wrong on that on lad...

Wrong on what on???...Benn stated in his book or an interview that he really didnt want to fight Jones jr or maybe it was Toney or even both...the point i was making to the other fella before you jumped in was that Eubank and Benn avoided the very best of their era...thats a fact...id even go as far as saying they also avoided Herol Graham on their way up...Eubank certainly did

Did they hell, Gerald McCellan was a monster and many feared for Benn's health. Gerald beat Jones in the amateurs and was the most feared puncher in the sport at the time....

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Do you think his disregard for defense was maybe because he didnt see Brook as much of a threat??...he said after Brook didnt hit like a middleweight

I havent seen enough of him to know if its just the way he fights everyone but yes it would make sense wouldnt it......he doesnt show feints or move his head at all,and doesnt really jab his way in i truly believe its his footwork that intimidates opponents he seems to just glide into a space that as a fighter it can throw you that he has the audacity to be there....hard to explain but ive rarely seen footwork like it.

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Not a bad fight to be fair to Brook he stood on and fought the right fight but he,s just not a middleweight he had good punch variety but he wasnt putting a dent in Golovkin who in my opinion showed a lot of defensive frailties last night....no head movement,no real defensive awareness its almost like he has so much confidence in his power he thinks he can walk straight through an opponent.......hurtful puncher though i was 7 or 8 rows back and could hear the punches going in,he,s a very correct puncher as well hits with the knuckle part of the glove every time and gets the full turn of the hip i would imagine he,s a very intimidating fighter to fight the way he walks you down and creates openings.....Brook did well but it went the way most thought it would i suppose,the damage he was shipping was obvious...orbital fractures are not too terrible they normally put an implant in or bone graft its a strange feeling anyone whos had that type of injury will know the sensation you keep trying to stare or blink your vision into place and against a fighter like Golovkin its not a chance you can take so pulling him out was the right decision.

Tbh Brook didn't land that many, I rewatched the fight this morning without the influence of the biased crowd everytime Brook threw a punch. Even during Brook's successful spell in the second round he was still being busted up with shots including pulverisng jabs, hell it was a jab that did his eye in.

 

GGG was trying too hard for the knockout and was headhunting, he neglected defence because he knew he could walk through Brook's shots, he wasn't stunned at all by Brook's bread and butter shots. When he's fought big punchers before his defence was way sharper.

 

I disagree about Brook not being a Middleweight, he looked plenty big and strong enough in there. He did better than most have against GGG and he took some monster shots in there. If he landed those shots on any other Middleweight not named Golovkin he would have dropped them I'm sure. I reckon Brook would beat Canelo at Light Middleweight and should push for him when he beats Liam Smith...

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Do you think his disregard for defense was maybe because he didnt see Brook as much of a threat??...he said after Brook didnt hit like a middleweight

I havent seen enough of him to know if its just the way he fights everyone but yes it would make sense wouldnt it......he doesnt show feints or move his head at all,and doesnt really jab his way in i truly believe its his footwork that intimidates opponents he seems to just glide into a space that as a fighter it can throw you that he has the audacity to be there....hard to explain but ive rarely seen footwork like it.

 

Very true. I've never seen a boxer so able to cut down the space in a ring. GGG is a one off. Brook to his credit,briefly backed him up but the guy is relentless and he has the knack of generally being in his opponent's face. It's his footwork that allows him to do this. Brook did ok but he is no Sugar Ray Robinson, coming up two weight divisions was just too ambitious.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

Do you think his disregard for defense was maybe because he didnt see Brook as much of a threat??...he said after Brook didnt hit like a middleweight

I havent seen enough of him to know if its just the way he fights everyone but yes it would make sense wouldnt it......he doesnt show feints or move his head at all,and doesnt really jab his way in i truly believe its his footwork that intimidates opponents he seems to just glide into a space that as a fighter it can throw you that he has the audacity to be there....hard to explain but ive rarely seen footwork like it.

Very true. I've never seen a boxer so able to cut down the space in a ring. GGG is a one off. Brook to his credit,briefly backed him up but the guy is relentless and he has the knack of generally being in his opponent's face. It's his footwork that allows him to do this. Brook did ok but he is no Sugar Ray Robinson, coming up two weight divisions was just too ambitious.

Rewatch the fight, the second round is way closer than it appeared to everyone. GGG was busting Brook up even though Kell landed a few, he didn't faze Golovkin at all. It's unreal how much a fight changes with the sound down....

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I disagree about Brook not being a Middleweight, he looked plenty big and strong enough in there. He did better than most have against GGG and he took some monster shots in there. If he landed those shots on any other Middleweight not named Golovkin he would have dropped them I'm sure. I reckon Brook would beat Canelo at Light Middleweight and should push for him when he beats Liam Smith...

 

Just because a fighter looks big and can absorb shots doesnt mean its his weight.........if he can still make welterweight what possible reason could there be for fighting above your weight........yes Brook may of looked big and strong and done well in the first half on the fight.......what about if it had gone into the second half of the fight where every fighter knows ( including Dominic Ingle ) that weight starts to become a big factor.

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I disagree about Brook not being a Middleweight, he looked plenty big and strong enough in there. He did better than most have against GGG and he took some monster shots in there. If he landed those shots on any other Middleweight not named Golovkin he would have dropped them I'm sure. I reckon Brook would beat Canelo at Light Middleweight and should push for him when he beats Liam Smith...

 

Just because a fighter looks big and can absorb shots doesnt mean its his weight.........if he can still make welterweight what possible reason could there be for fighting above your weight........yes Brook may of looked big and strong and done well in the first half on the fight.......what about if it had gone into the second half of the fight where every fighter knows ( including Dominic Ingle ) that weight starts to become a big factor.

He was heavier than GGG in there, he's been killing himself to make 147lb. You tell me how he makes Welterweight yet kept his strength, I'm guessing because of a really good nutritionist.....

 

Any other fighter at Middleweight and he'd have been in with a real shout. He faced an ATG in the making. It was not the size that lost him the fight.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Kell Brook finds Gennady Golovkin a leap too far - BBC Sport

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/37331950

 

A great review of the fight. It's true, Golovkin is like a serial killer. He likes to dismantle people with precision but he admitted he wasn't at his best, "instead I just broke him."

Edited September 11, 2016 by DogFox123

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

He was heavier than GGG in there, he's been killing himself to make 147lb. You tell me how he makes Welterweight yet kept his strength, I'm guessing because of a really good nutritionist.....

 

Any other fighter at Middleweight and he'd have been in with a real shout. He faced an ATG in the making. It was not the size that lost him the fight.

 

He makes welterweight the same way any other fighter makes weight....making weight is a science do you think Kell Brook is the only fighter who cuts weight ?.........ive got a lad cutting 15 lb for a kick boxing contest next weekend done correctly he,ll be fine but that doesnt mean he should fight in a higher weight division......if size had no bearing on last nights fight are we to presume Brook cant punch or Golovkin has a granite chin ?.....most top middleweights would of taken Brook into the later rounds where weight plays a big part but Golovkin did what Golovkin does.

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Edited September 11, 2016 by gnasher16

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yes mate so it could be blind loyalty on my part but couldn't bet against a local lad.

 

If you win mate the money will be in you on monday as i dont do internet banking,

 

Keepdiggin put that 100 into the Bradley fund will you mate please.......over on the thread Max started about the sick young lad.....cheers

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He was heavier than GGG in there, he's been killing himself to make 147lb. You tell me how he makes Welterweight yet kept his strength, I'm guessing because of a really good nutritionist.....

 

Any other fighter at Middleweight and he'd have been in with a real shout. He faced an ATG in the making. It was not the size that lost him the fight.

 

He makes welterweight the same way any other fighter makes weight....making weight is a science do you think Kell Brook is the only fighter who cuts weight ?.........ive got a lad cutting 15 lb for a kick boxing contest next weekend done correctly he,ll be fine but that doesnt mean he should fight in a higher weight division......if size had no bearing on last nights fight are we to presume Brook cant punch or Golovkin has a granite chin ?.....most top middleweights would of taken Brook into the later rounds where weight plays a big part but Golovkin did what Golovkin does.

He cut weight to make Middleweight, he was bigger than GGG at the weigh-in and on the day of the fight. Golovkin hasn't felt the need to cut to a lower weight, he could if he killed himself like Brook was doing to make 147lb.

 

Brook can punch, it's just he was punching a brick wall. The man's chin is pure granite and he's a warrior through and through. Brook would be a nightmare for any Middleweight not named Golovkin, he's that good.

Edited September 11, 2016 by DogFox123

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I think golovkin just had no respect for brooks power and just chucked defender out the window and went headhunting, I'd like to see GB,s proper middleweights step upto the plate and face him before he gets old and drops off the cliff, I'll respect whoever fights him an loses now more than those who wait and beat him when he's to old