The Legend Ali

[darbo 4,776]

 

i dont dispute marcianos punching power a fighter i have a lot of respect for. But did he have the same punching power as a earnie shavers or george foreman

n ow your talking shavers had hell of a punch on him, he bust ali jaw in there fight, and ali as always said he was the hardest puncher he ever faced . some men are just naturally strong punchers at what weight they are, when idone bit of boxing and karate , i could knock down blokes good couple stone heavier than me easy, but as they say good strong big'un , will always beat a good strong little'un deff .

 

https://youtu.be/E8gy5L6Ujuw

[gnasher16 30,597]

Thats the trouble when comparing opponents whos to say Foreman/Frazier/Shavers etc etc would of fought Marciano in the same manner they fought Ali.....on basic fundamentals Ali took Foremans best theres nothing to suggest he couldnt take a 30 lb lighter Marcianos best.....the hardest thing to judge with Clay/Ali is theres no prime to judge him on do you judge him on Clay ( before his prime ) or Ali ( after his prime ) because they were both very different fighters......dont forget Marciano fought his biggest names Louis,Charles,Walcott when they was all well past their prime and was getting easily beaten by Walcott up to the famous suzie q punch in the 13th round.

 

Its all guesswork i just cant see any reason to think Marciano could of beaten Clay/Ali.....and certainly not a prime version.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Thats the trouble when comparing opponents whos to say Foreman/Frazier/Shavers etc etc would of fought Marciano in the same manner they fought Ali.....on basic fundamentals Ali took Foremans best theres nothing to suggest he couldnt take a 30 lb lighter Marcianos best.....the hardest thing to judge with Clay/Ali is theres no prime to judge him on do you judge him on Clay ( before his prime ) or Ali ( after his prime ) because they were both very different fighters......dont forget Marciano fought his biggest names Louis,Charles,Walcott when they was all well past their prime and was getting easily beaten by Walcott up to the famous suzie q punch in the 13th round.

 

Its all guesswork i just cant see any reason to think Marciano could of beaten Clay/Ali.....and certainly not a prime version.

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

 

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

Edited July 6, 2016 by DogFox123

[darbo 4,776]

https://youtu.be/NESTgp5fyTE

[bird 10,013]

Cheers Darbo, these are the highlights

An Ali well past his prime, what a slog though credit to both fighters

just watched it, bloody hell ali was tough, and take good shot, them shots would have put most men down. your answer there regards who would win rocky or ali deff ali . Ali gone 15 rounds with a man 30lb heavier than rocky, and shaver deff can hit hard.i think it would have been the same outcome Ali win the last 2 rounds against rocky

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

Jerry Quarry's first round stoppage of Shavers also worth a watch...Don King promoted Shavers and worked his corner...King was so pissed off when Shavers lost he left him stranded at the garden and after exspenses never paid him a penny...Quarry said 'Memphis' Al Jones was a harder puncher than Shavers

[DogFox123 1,379]

Jerry Quarry's first round stoppage of Shavers also worth a watch...Don King promoted Shavers and worked his corner...King was so pissed off when Shavers lost he left him stranded at the garden and after exspenses never paid him a penny...Quarry said 'Memphis' Al Jones was a harder puncher than Shavers

Shavers could bang no doubt but wasn't the best of finishers, outside Ken Norton and Jimmy Ellis who did he actually knockout....

[gnasher16 30,597]

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

 

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

 

Avoided/absorbed whats the difference one way or another he took punches off some of the hardest punchers in history and found ways to beat them i dont know whats to think he wouldnt of done the same with a man much smaller and slower than himself........an old boy i respected once told me Marciano had a plan a........Ali had plans a,b,c and d !

 

Walcott wasnt past his prime ?.... in the rematch he was knocked out in the first round and retired how much more past his prime can he be same with Louis.... Marciano caught them both at the end of long hard careers and they never fought again afterwards.......at least the big names Ali fought he fought in their prime.

 

Totally agree with the last line though both icons of their sport.

Edited July 6, 2016 by gnasher16

[jiggy 3,209]

How much heavier was marcianos biggest opponent he must of gave away a few pounds in nearly all his fights

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

 

Avoided/absorbed whats the difference one way or another he took punches off some of the hardest punchers in history and found ways to beat them i dont know whats to think he wouldnt of done the same with a man much smaller and slower than himself........an old boy i respected once told me Marciano had a plan a........Ali had plans a,b,c and d !

 

Walcott wasnt past his prime ?.... in the rematch he was knocked out in the first round and retired how much more past his prime can he be same with Louis.... Marciano caught them both at the end of long hard careers and they never fought again afterwards.......at least the big names Ali fought he fought in their prime.

 

Totally agree with the last line though both icons of their sport.

Frazier gave Ali in hell all three of their fights, Marciano is a swarmer like Joe and a better one at that according to Ali himself. It's not unreasonable to say Marciano would have a good chance against Ali.

 

Walcott was heavyweight champion when Marciano knocked him out the first time, he was at the peak of his career wether he was past his physical prime or not. In the rematch he was knocked out by one of the greatest champions the division has seen. There's a bit of a theme regarding Walcott and Louis, Marciano was such a devastating puncher he ended careers.

[bird 10,013]

 

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

 

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

 

Avoided/absorbed whats the difference one way or another he took punches off some of the hardest punchers in history and found ways to beat them i dont know whats to think he wouldnt of done the same with a man much smaller and slower than himself........an old boy i respected once told me Marciano had a plan a........Ali had plans a,b,c and d !

 

Walcott wasnt past his prime ?.... in the rematch he was knocked out in the first round and retired how much more past his prime can he be same with Louis.... Marciano caught them both at the end of long hard careers and they never fought again afterwards.......at least the big names Ali fought he fought in their prime.

 

Totally agree with the last line though both icons of their sport.

 

[gnasher16 30,597]

 

 

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

Avoided/absorbed whats the difference one way or another he took punches off some of the hardest punchers in history and found ways to beat them i dont know whats to think he wouldnt of done the same with a man much smaller and slower than himself........an old boy i respected once told me Marciano had a plan a........Ali had plans a,b,c and d !

 

Walcott wasnt past his prime ?.... in the rematch he was knocked out in the first round and retired how much more past his prime can he be same with Louis.... Marciano caught them both at the end of long hard careers and they never fought again afterwards.......at least the big names Ali fought he fought in their prime.

 

Totally agree with the last line though both icons of their sport.

Frazier gave Ali in hell all three of their fights, Marciano is a swarmer like Joe and a better one at that according to Ali himself. It's not unreasonable to say Marciano would have a good chance against Ali.

 

Walcott was heavyweight champion when Marciano knocked him out the first time, he was at the peak of his career wether he was past his physical prime or not. In the rematch he was knocked out by one of the greatest champions the division has seen. There's a bit of a theme regarding Walcott and Louis, Marciano was such a devastating puncher he ended careers.

 

Maybe the theme is that they were both 38/39 years old and well past their physical peaks.......after all why would legendary fighters like that retire at the peak of their careers ?...................like i say,Ali fought his biggest names in THEIR primes..... Marciano fought his biggest names in HIS prime............Ali never even had a prime.

 

Its not unreasonable no but personally i just find it highly unlikely.

Edited July 8, 2016 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't say Ali took Foreman's best shots to the head, Ali avoided most of his shots throughout the fight. Foreman was completely gassed by the eighth round, Marciano could keep a ferocious pace for the full 15. I don't agree that Walcott was past his prime, he might have been physically past his peak but as a complete fighter he was arguably at his best.

I think Ali beats him but I wouldn't bet my house on it, both were great fighters.

Avoided/absorbed whats the difference one way or another he took punches off some of the hardest punchers in history and found ways to beat them i dont know whats to think he wouldnt of done the same with a man much smaller and slower than himself........an old boy i respected once told me Marciano had a plan a........Ali had plans a,b,c and d !

 

Walcott wasnt past his prime ?.... in the rematch he was knocked out in the first round and retired how much more past his prime can he be same with Louis.... Marciano caught them both at the end of long hard careers and they never fought again afterwards.......at least the big names Ali fought he fought in their prime.

 

Totally agree with the last line though both icons of their sport.

Frazier gave Ali in hell all three of their fights, Marciano is a swarmer like Joe and a better one at that according to Ali himself. It's not unreasonable to say Marciano would have a good chance against Ali.

 

Walcott was heavyweight champion when Marciano knocked him out the first time, he was at the peak of his career wether he was past his physical prime or not. In the rematch he was knocked out by one of the greatest champions the division has seen. There's a bit of a theme regarding Walcott and Louis, Marciano was such a devastating puncher he ended careers.

Maybe the theme is that they were both 38/39 years old and well past their physical peaks.......after all why would legendary fighters like that retire at the peak of their careers ?...................like i say,Ali fought his biggest names in THEIR primes..... Marciano fought his biggest names in HIS prime............Ali never even had a prime.

 

Its not unreasonable no but personally i just find it highly unlikely.

Louis was shot Walcott was not, Walcott retired because he'd just been KTFO twice by Marciano. I don't belive even you think that a fighter has to be at his physical peak to be in the prime of his career. I can give you lots of examples to show over wise, Lennox Lewis is just the start...

 

Rocky didn't have the greatest of resumes and didn't have too many fights but he never tasted defeat. Out of his recent successors only Liston would likely beat him. He'd have walked through Patterson and given him the beating of a lifetime IMO.

[gnasher16 30,597]

A fighter doesnt have to be at his physical peak no but when he,s neither at his physical or mental peak and thinking about retirement how can he possibly be in the prime of his career......Marciano wasnt the first and wont be the last fighter to catch big name opponents at the end of their careers and its the big name opponents we judge fighters on.......most people accept Ali,s most impressive individual performance was against Cleveland Williams but people judge his career on his fights with the big names like Frazier/Foreman/Norton etc

[DogFox123 1,379]

A fighter doesnt have to be at his physical peak no but when he,s neither at his physical or mental peak and thinking about retirement how can he possibly be in the prime of his career......Marciano wasnt the first and wont be the last fighter to catch big name opponents at the end of their careers and its the big name opponents we judge fighters on.......most people accept Ali,s most impressive individual performance was against Cleveland Williams but people judge his career on his fights with the big names like Frazier/Foreman/Norton etc

I doubt both Walcott and Louis would have retired had they defeated Marciano. Getting knocked out badly takes a lot of confidence out of a fighter.

 

Ali was on fire against Williams but remember Williams was shot also, literally....

 

Ali for me is the greatest of all time.