Pat Cross's?

[galloway415@gmail.com 12]

There are a lot that are big but there crosses and there to big to go to ground and the one that do the crosses don't hunt they just sell them. The ones that really like to hunt need a Spannable dog or there not doing ground work or real barn work..raccoons pancake out so there sets are small and ground hogs sets are small also. The raccoon when winter comes and they bed down in the hay and straw they squeeze through the cracks and go down into the pile. So even in the barns you need a Spannable dog. And the fox over here there chest are not wide there spannable also so there sets are pretty small for the most part..we have badger but I haven't Ben lucky enough to locate one so I couldn't say what there sets would look like. But I would awesome small and shaped like a catfish mouth..

Some pretty bold statements there .."the ones that do crosses dont hunt they just sell them " ?

Spanable is a relaitive term , kinda depends on how big your hands are .

i hunted an 18-20 lb dog barley spanable in the midwest with good results

to me its about want ..and want to find ..and fit ..and stay..

This is a big country with diverse terrain & climates , this affects the differences of game in a given region , and theyre habitat , where they nest , breed etc...so with that being said ..it aint one size fits all , different strokes...what you talkin bout Willis !!!

[rippem 455]

Here in the states they need to be Spannable if not there not going to ground. And most of the pit/staff cross's are to big to go to ground. I'm sure there are exceptions but that's it. And I don't care how much it wants it if it can't fit it can't fit..and also a 18 pound dog could still be spannable..

[galloway415@gmail.com 12]

I dont know if you read what i posted , i am in the states and have hunted terriers in 4 different states now over the past 12 years and have plans for more. I dont agree with many of your statements , and feel like your putting mis information out there ..and thats fine , being that this is a place for constructive discussion , i would agree to disagree.

 

 

There are a lot that are big but there crosses and there to big to go to ground and the one that do the crosses don't hunt they just sell them. The ones that really like to hunt need a Spannable dog or there not doing ground work or real barn work..raccoons pancake out so there sets are small and ground hogs sets are small also. The raccoon when winter comes and they bed down in the hay and straw they squeeze through the cracks and go down into the pile. So even in the barns you need a Spannable dog. And the fox over here there chest are not wide there spannable also so there sets are pretty small for the most part..we have badger but I haven't Ben lucky enough to locate one so I couldn't say what there sets would look like. But I would awesome small and shaped like a catfish mouth..

Some pretty bold statements there .."the ones that do crosses dont hunt they just sell them " ?

Spanable is a relaitive term , kinda depends on how big your hands are .

i hunted an 18-20 lb dog barley spanable in the midwest with good results

to me its about want ..and want to find ..and fit ..and stay..

This is a big country with diverse terrain & climates , this affects the differences of game in a given region , and theyre habitat , where they nest , breed etc...so with that being said ..it aint one size fits all , different strokes...what you talkin bout Willis !!!

 

 

 

Here in the states they need to be Spannable if not there not going to ground. And most of the pit/staff cross's are to big to go to ground. I'm sure there are exceptions but that's it. And I don't care how much it wants it if it can't fit it can't fit..and also a 18 pound dog could still be spannable..

[rippem 455]

So what are you saying that they don't need to be spannable? You say I'm putting out misleading information, please tell me what misleading info I'm putting out..and if you disagree that they have to be spannable what are you hunting? Sure isn't ground hog or fox or coon. Unless it's above ground. Unless your in a weird spot were the holes are big.

[Dead Eyes 681]

Why would a fox hole be smaller in America for the same species?

 

Genuine question

[galloway415@gmail.com 12]

I believe in my prior posts I made the points which i disagree with and believe to be mis information . Bottom line is your not going to change my mind , and i doubt i will change yours , so why beat a dead horse ?

and i dont know why a fox hole or any others would be different cross the pond , i cant say from personal experience but i have heard fox are larger there (Europe) . I can say in the states , there are such great degrees of difference in climate terrain etc. that the same species can be found in many different habitats within the earth , different animals burrow throughout the country , those abandoned burrows are occupied by many different animals.

[rippem 455]

I'm notrying saying anything about the size of there fox versus ours. I don't know about there's never been there but do know about what is over here. Our fox, ground hog sets are small and you need a spannable dog. Are there exceptions? Of course.bUT for the most part we need spannable dog for our terrain. Even a big coon will squeeze down a tight small hole. I have a lot of spots to go hunt if your around ILL, let me know you can show me different. And afterwards wife and I will tale you out for a good time..the reason why I started this post is because I see some folks have what they call pats but look like staffy bulls and they would not do good over hear and was wondering why they have big dogs..I was just curious if the sets are bigger.anytime you wanna go hit some new ground let me know your more then welcome..

[galloway415@gmail.com 12]

I'm notrying saying anything about the size of there fox versus ours. I don't know about there's never been there but do know about what is over here. Our fox, ground hog sets are small and you need a spannable dog. Are there exceptions? Of course.bUT for the most part we need spannable dog for our terrain. Even a big coon will squeeze down a tight small hole. I have a lot of spots to go hunt if your around ILL, let me know you can show me different. And afterwards wife and I will tale you out for a good time..the reason why I started this post is because I see some folks have what they call pats but look like staffy bulls and they would not do good over hear and was wondering why they have big dogs..I was just curious if the sets are bigger.anytime you wanna go hit some new ground let me know your more then welcome..

i would very much like to make it out that way again , i hunted in Ohio , Indiana , and Kentucky regularly years back..lots of game in the ground .thanks for the hospitality . and yeah them chucks can squeeze in tight , dig away and back fill behind em ..smart ellusive critter , takes a good dog to bottle one up at times.

[pablo esc 1,598]

Its much the same over this part of the world ; the west (Europe); as what you do ; seen ;saying that foxes and stuff have the different terrains and areas and can occupy other and old dens and burrows to what id come across and found also what you say in that different size dog for all different size burrows .not one size fits everything like a tool so to say

[pablo esc 1,598]

just out walking ;dog after a rat ; obviously never get down a rat hole so size don't matter their.how do you guys get on with the weather and do you ever come across mink ?

[pablo esc 1,598]

[rippem 455]

I personally haven't ran into any minks but they are here just not a lot were I'm from..and the weather right now is hot!there is a guy from the states not sure we're from but he hunts with the minks..super cool stuff.you can see his videos on youtube. I believe it's called minkery..I like the look of the black dog, how old and how is he breed?

[rippem 455]

BG,you did a lot of coon hunting in Indiana and Ohio huh? They have some big coons and they seem to do a lot of barn clean outs in the winter. I love barn clean outs!

[galloway415@gmail.com 12]

Coon , Groundhog , and the occasional fox , Never did the barn thing , wandered into a couple barns while hunting , once got a ground hog in a piece of machinery , in a barn , and all we had were shovels !!

[rippem 455]

Thought maybe you would of done some barn hunts in Ohio there pretty big on that. And they pull out alot. Like I said if your ever out my way hit me up. The winter barn hunts are a blast..and some of the barns we go into the kids make castle forts that will blow your mind..cool stuff.