Pat Cross's?

[pablo esc 1,598]

this was a big Fox, he was well able to be in a tight place in a burrow, sat back facing the dog and giving himself room always

[go2ground 152]

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Nice dogs...what's the cross on the left?

[pablo esc 1,598]

The father was a black dog, Patterdale, I don't know if the was something else in its breeding too. The dogs mother, that's father was a smooth coated Patterdale, and was put to a full working border terrier

[rippem 455]

Nice !

[pablo esc 1,598]

that dog would be a patt cross, rippem, both parents, this dog great worker for the burrows and would be serious to hunt too, and a cracker to span . just had it in it to work well

[rippem 455]

Beautiful dog! How is he breed? And how old?

[pablo esc 1,598]

About four years old, would have a long line of names, workers, going back over forty years, seems to be it's own throughout breed, like a Nuttal terrier or something. Going back would have, Nuttal, Stevens, Powell, harcombe, gould, parks, other lines too, the border terrier go back long way, levi oaks, handy size good worker to me, hard to believe how the breeding could through out,

[pablo esc 1,598]

both parents had fair bit of straight border terrier in them, the mother was half border

[rippem 455]

How long have you been into the pats and doing ground work?

[pablo esc 1,598]

I've only had these dogs for about nine years. That's the ones in these dog's family. Had similar ones and the same years ago. Got my first black patterdale 32years ago. Had a border terrier few years later and then about over twenty years ago had a patterdale same type of breeding. Smaller and aborder dog and afell bitch type had a few others and my friends had different ones and similar what I saw work

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

You missed out Wheeler pabs in your name drop .

[pablo esc 1,598]

Yes. I wasn't sure of one lad was wheeler or nuttal. It was a good worker though. And I saw the dog very tidy line looked tightly bred must been through the same bitches. A man I know owned and worked him. I don't know if the wheeler in the other lines of dogs ancestor's

[pablo esc 1,598]

Both grandads to my dog ibred we're smooth coated workers. And strong

[rippem 455]

Pablo, I tried to pm you but obviously I'm a little slow..Lol wouldn't let me send it..

[pablo esc 1,598]