Bullfighting

[dark-destroyer-85 636]

 

 

Id defo love to see that, be like looking at the old roman colosseum and some of their games, but I've no prob with that

Old Colluseum you say? Then you must head to Nimes in France.

 

 

This is Jose Tomas again, he up against a Parlade strain of bull, this line is seen as not very agressive or very game, but they charge and keep on charging.

This bull comes in and jumps over the 4 foot barriers after some people and scatters them, then Tomas goes out to it with just a cape, he gets it going sizes it up and uses just one hand so the target for the bull is smaller than the man.

 

It charges from a long ways out to the horse but runs away quickly from the pick, not game, but the crowd expects great things from Tomas and a bull that'll charge from distance so they don't call for it to be taken out.

 

Then he shows the best of the bull, the crowd don't want to see it suffer they want to see him and it show everything they have and protest against him trying to kill it.

 

So he goes on. The protest again and the bull is reprieved.

 

wheres the best parts of Spain to see this then

[dark-destroyer-85 636]

I don't think many on here who shoot/ferret/work dogs are in much of a position to pass judgement on someone else who wants to carry out their chosen hobby. Whatever that may be.

 

Whilst our own hobby and way of life might be, or at least should be done as quickly and humanely as possible, it is still frowned upon by thousands of people and they would stop it all tomorrow.

 

That alone gives me the attitude "live and let live".

couldnt agree more we all want fox hunting back as its part of our history and heritage and this is the same for them so long may it continue I say

[Bryan 1,362]

The guy that was almost killed last sunday had the best day of his career earlier this year.

 

He was with a Victorino Martin bull, these are the bulls everyone ants to go and see at the moment, probably the best line currently. Game, aggressive , very very fast to turn back on the matador and they keep charging.

 

The matadors and the team with them are booked and paid on how they perform, they need to impress and take risks.

 

The ballsiest move is to meet the bull running in on your knees, you can't run and you're gambling that'll go to the cape and not you.

 

This bull hits the horse and pick like a train, unmoved by the pick, the second time it's hesitant and no one knows if it's not game or not aggressive or just weighing things up. The commentary is in Spanish but you can hear it's all about the bull and the line "Victorino"

For it to be reprieved is a huge honour for the breeder (in the suit and red tie in the crowd) and for the matador

 

This is a long video but it gives a very good idea of the whole thing and how the crowd is (even how well dressed they are, the first time I went my friend from Spain said it wouldn't be proper if i went in shorts and Tshirt)

 

 

 

the bull is back at Stud the next day

 

[BGD 6,436]

Do the bulls know when it's "game on" or are they always aggressive towards all people? I imagine they're fecking hard to handle when not in the ring if they don't know the difference?

[tillylamp 1,830]

 

i here what your saying....but i think it's pointless......i've never been one to get all excited over an animal suffering for the entertainment of it....like i said before, if your going to kill something do it quickly and humanly....it's funny really, how this is ok, but a vast majority of us think the Chinese are cruel.....yet the same outcome

 

 

 

I hear you too and it isn't a straight forward thing to watch. You don't know if you're for the bull or the man or what. But people aren't there to torture or see the animal suffer. That's very easy to say I know, but this is a hunting site and most antis would say we hunt just to hurt and harm and see animals suffer.

The killing and death can be rough, it can lasts from seconds for it to die to maybe 2 minutes.

It's not an easy eating popcorn watch, But good or bad, it's fascinating.

 

Some go to see and follow certain lines of bulls like we do patterdales or springers. The guy who get's gored into the leg last Sunday was against an Adolofo Martin Strain bull, know for doing just what that bull did.

 

you have explained it very well for those that are interested, and i'm sure you will get a good fan base from it, i think your on a different wave length, along with others, from me, in terms of animals suffering, like i said........if it gets you all excited, and your heart pumping with pleasure, then fill your boots..

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

Funny old world, I think Bullfighting is more barbaric than Dogfighting but I guess not many people would share the same opinion.

Have you been to Bullfights?

No why?

[skycat 6,173]

I can see both sides of it. I used to live in the south of France, went over to Spain a few times to bullfights. I can understand the honour, the pageantry, the history, the skill ... etc etc. At the time I truly did 'get' the whole thing, but all I see now when I watch those vids is a bewildered and bleeding animal which has no idea what the f*ck is going on and why men are sticking things into it. Yes, it's only a bull, and bred for it. But do we, supposedly higher, nobler, animals, seriously need to torture others to get our kicks? Really?

[DIDO.1 22,694]

Do the bulls know when it's "game on" or are they always aggressive towards all people? I imagine they're fecking hard to handle when not in the ring if they don't know the difference?

The bulls are calm in a herd.

 

At 2-3 years old the bulls are taken to a small ring out on the range. Here they face a lone man on a horse, if they charge they receive a pic in the large lump of muscle on there shoulders....once they break apart the door to the ring is thrown open so they can see the open range....they are then challenged again....some will choose the open range some will except combat....their number and destiny will be noted accordingly. Those which are marked down toro bravo go out to the range until they are five years old, living as wild as an animal can live.

 

Will regard to the 'spears' people have such a problem with. These are bandarillas which have small barbs, they are placed in the massive hump of muscle on the neck, they arnt some big long dart and they don't weaken the bull only sober him. He comes into the ring charging wildly, the longer he is in there the more dangerous he becomes, he's learning the difference between the lure and the man with every second that passes.

 

I would never watch a bullfight in Madrid. It's a cold public. Go to some smaller town fiesta.

 

There is a massive group of UK aficionados who are the most knowledgeable in the world. Club taurino of London have regular meetings and invite the top matadors over to London. There is even a Manchester club who meet.

 

If you want to learn more about the bulls then 'death in the afternoon ' by earnest hemingway is always a good book to start with.

 

There are many UK based aficionado practicos who go to Spain and take an active role. Mainly visiting the bull ranches to test the female calves in teintas which look like mini bullfights and are a would-be bullfighters only chance to get infront of a live animal. It's amazing to watch the young female calves charge a horse at 12 months old!

Edited June 29, 2016 by DIDO.1

[DogFox123 1,379]

I can see both sides of it. I used to live in the south of France, went over to Spain a few times to bullfights. I can understand the honour, the pageantry, the history, the skill ... etc etc. At the time I truly did 'get' the whole thing, but all I see now when I watch those vids is a bewildered and bleeding animal which has no idea what the f*ck is going on and why men are sticking things into it. Yes, it's only a bull, and bred for it. But do we, supposedly higher, nobler, animals, seriously need to torture others to get our kicks? Really?

I know what you're saying but we do worse things to our own kind on a daily basis across the world. The Human Race are a set of c**ts full stop......

[Bryan 1,362]

I can see both sides of it. I used to live in the south of France, went over to Spain a few times to bullfights. I can understand the honour, the pageantry, the history, the skill ... etc etc. At the time I truly did 'get' the whole thing, but all I see now when I watch those vids is a bewildered and bleeding animal which has no idea what the f*ck is going on and why men are sticking things into it. Yes, it's only a bull, and bred for it. But do we, supposedly higher, nobler, animals, seriously need to torture others to get our kicks? Really?

 

Of course we don't need to do that. There's groups out there to stop that kind of thing. It's number 3 on their list here.

 

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

[BGD 6,436]

You know it's not something I've ever taken an interest in really but reading about all the culture etc around it in this thread has definitely got me interested...

Might make it out there some time this year and see it for myself. Is there a season or do bullfights go on all year round?

[DogFox123 1,379]

Why is that this act is romanticised and Dogfighting stigmatized? At least the matching of dogs has two willing combatants? Just goes to show how hypocritical we all are.....

[skycat 6,173]

Bull fighting is hardly the same as hunting, when the animal at least has a chance to get away, though I know the antis don't see it like that.

[DIDO.1 22,694]

You know it's not something I've ever taken an interest in really but reading about all the culture etc around it in this thread has definitely got me interested...

Might make it out there some time this year and see it for myself. Is there a season or do bullfights go on all year round?

The main feria season is August -September.

[DIDO.1 22,694]

You know it's not something I've ever taken an interest in really but reading about all the culture etc around it in this thread has definitely got me interested...

Might make it out there some time this year and see it for myself. Is there a season or do bullfights go on all year round?

I'd recommend going with someone who knows what's happening..many parts look cruel without knowing why certain thing are happening.....and most bullfights are boring...we are all waiting for the perfect bull meeting the right matador for something great to happen.