Bullfighting

[DogFox123 1,379]

Funny old world, I think Bullfighting is more barbaric than Dogfighting but I guess not many people would share the same opinion.

[Guest Navek]

I'd agree with you dogfox ...however I still wouldn't try stop someone going to watch it.it has nothing to do with me..same as it has nothing to do with anyone else if I wanted to put a dog in a pit ....

 

Bull fighting realy doesn't do anything for me .its not something I'd search for on the net or read up on to gain more knowledge on the subject..however if I was in Barcelona Madrid or anywhere else that ther was bull fighting I'd still go see it

 

 

When in Rome and all that ......

[Bryan 1,362]

if people want to brand them like hero's that's up to them......i can't see anything manly about sticking half a dozen spears into an animal and letting it suffer until it can't move any more...

i don't see the point of it, if your going to kill something......do it quick and humanly,

 

But that isn't what they do.

Bull comes in untouched and meets a man who only has a cape. Nothing else.

He turns it a few times.

Then the Picador comes in on a protected horse. The bull is brought before the horse. If it doesn't charge the horse, doesn't keep it's charge going while it's hit into the hump of it's neck with a pick .

 

Then it's taken out and it's all over.

 

If the bull doesn't want to attack at this stage it's out, done, over , finito.

 

That happened with 3 bulls in a row in Madrid a few weeks ago.

 

If the bull goes lame, it's out, done finished.

 

Then there's 3 bandeleros, they run to the bull with no protection and drop in a pair each.

 

Again If the bull doesn't want to attack at this stage it's out, done, over , finito.

 

Now the last bit, one man with a cape, he's meant to show all the strengths of the bull keeping it as close as possible, if a bull is faultless then it goes free form the areana, (there's maybe a dozen a year or so)

 

If not then the end comes, bullfighter has only a sword, he must go in over the horns and let them pass under his body as he kills, he must allow himself to be killed as he kills.

 

The largest artery and veins, Aorta and Vena cava are cuts and the bull dies. A bit like Halal in the UK or Ireland I guess?

[Bryan 1,362]

Funny old world, I think Bullfighting is more barbaric than Dogfighting but I guess not many people would share the same opinion.

 

Have you been to Bullfights?

[Bryan 1,362]

Now I know this "going in over the horns" sounds like nonsense but that's how they roll.

This was Sunday, he gets a torn femoral and saphenous artery, you bleed to death in less than 2 minutes. They've an emergency surgeon on site ( funny that?) guys are usually unconscious before they get on the operating table so they just cut down to the arteries and tie them off before giving an anaesthetic.

 

 

 

https://vimeo.com/172245082

[BGD 6,436]

I'd agree with you dogfox ...however I still wouldn't try stop someone going to watch it.it has nothing to do with me..same as it has nothing to do with anyone else if I wanted to put a dog in a pit ....

 

Bull fighting realy doesn't do anything for me .its not something I'd search for on the net or read up on to gain more knowledge on the subject..however if I was in Barcelona Madrid or anywhere else that ther was bull fighting I'd still go see it

 

 

When in Rome and all that ......

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject

[Bryan 1,362]

 

Now I know this "going in over the horns" sounds like nonsense but that's how they roll.

This was Sunday, he gets a torn femoral and saphenous artery, you bleed to death in less than 2 minutes. They've an emergency surgeon on site ( funny that?) guys are usually unconscious before they get on the operating table so they just cut down to the arteries and tie them off before giving an anaesthetic.

 

 

 

https://vimeo.com/172245082

That's some serious balls lol

 

 

It's funny you should say that. The injury report mentioned "eviesereto and testiculo"

I don't speak Spanish but I think it means VERY BAD

luckily it was one rather than pair!!!

Edited June 28, 2016 by Bryan

[BGD 6,436]

Jesus you don't need to speak Spanish to know you definitely don't want that to happen to you

Edited June 28, 2016 by BGD

[tillylamp 1,830]

 

if people want to brand them like hero's that's up to them......i can't see anything manly about sticking half a dozen spears into an animal and letting it suffer until it can't move any more...

i don't see the point of it, if your going to kill something......do it quick and humanly,

 

But that isn't what they do.

Bull comes in untouched and meets a man who only has a cape. Nothing else.

He turns it a few times.

Then the Picador comes in on a protected horse. The bull is brought before the horse. If it doesn't charge the horse, doesn't keep it's charge going while it's hit into the hump of it's neck with a pick .

 

Then it's taken out and it's all over.

 

If the bull doesn't want to attack at this stage it's out, done, over , finito.

 

That happened with 3 bulls in a row in Madrid a few weeks ago.

 

If the bull goes lame, it's out, done finished.

 

Then there's 3 bandeleros, they run to the bull with no protection and drop in a pair each.

 

Again If the bull doesn't want to attack at this stage it's out, done, over , finito.

 

Now the last bit, one man with a cape, he's meant to show all the strengths of the bull keeping it as close as possible, if a bull is faultless then it goes free form the areana, (there's maybe a dozen a year or so)

 

If not then the end comes, bullfighter has only a sword, he must go in over the horns and let them pass under his body as he kills, he must allow himself to be killed as he kills.

 

The largest artery and veins, Aorta and Vena cava are cuts and the bull dies. A bit like Halal in the UK or Ireland I guess?

 

i here what your saying....but i think it's pointless......i've never been one to get all excited over an animal suffering for the entertainment of it....like i said before, if your going to kill something do it quickly and humanly....it's funny really, how this is ok, but a vast majority of us think the Chinese are cruel.....yet the same outcome

[Bryan 1,362]

This gives some idea of the speed and size of the bulls, they're at least 5 years old ( Uk and Ireland kill our usually at 22 months, more humane I suppose) and 500Kg. The kid in green is 19.

 

https://vimeo.com/159475030

[Bryan 1,362]

i here what your saying....but i think it's pointless......i've never been one to get all excited over an animal suffering for the entertainment of it....like i said before, if your going to kill something do it quickly and humanly....it's funny really, how this is ok, but a vast majority of us think the Chinese are cruel.....yet the same outcome

 

 

 

I hear you too and it isn't a straight forward thing to watch. You don't know if you're for the bull or the man or what. But people aren't there to torture or see the animal suffer. That's very easy to say I know, but this is a hunting site and most antis would say we hunt just to hurt and harm and see animals suffer.

The killing and death can be rough, it can lasts from seconds for it to die to maybe 2 minutes.

It's not an easy eating popcorn watch, But good or bad, it's fascinating.

 

Some go to see and follow certain lines of bulls like we do patterdales or springers. The guy who get's gored into the leg last Sunday was against an Adolofo Martin Strain bull, know for doing just what that bull did.

[BGD 6,436]

Finding your posts absolutely fascinating Bryan pal, I had no idea it was all so choreographed or that there was different strains of fighting bulls etc.

[Lenmcharristar 9,814]

Id defo love to see that, be like looking at the old roman colosseum and some of their games, but I've no prob with that

[Bryan 1,362]

Id defo love to see that, be like looking at the old roman colosseum and some of their games, but I've no prob with that

 

Old Colluseum you say? Then you must head to Nimes in France.

 

 

This is Jose Tomas again, he up against a Parlade strain of bull, this line is seen as not very agressive or very game, but they charge and keep on charging.

This bull comes in and jumps over the 4 foot barriers after some people and scatters them, then Tomas goes out to it with just a cape, he gets it going sizes it up and uses just one hand so the target for the bull is smaller than the man.

 

It charges from a long ways out to the horse but runs away quickly from the pick, not game, but the crowd expects great things from Tomas and a bull that'll charge from distance so they don't call for it to be taken out.

 

Then he shows the best of the bull, the crowd don't want to see it suffer they want to see him and it show everything they have and protest against him trying to kill it.

 

So he goes on. The protest again and the bull is reprieved.

 

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

I don't think many on here who shoot/ferret/work dogs are in much of a position to pass judgement on someone else who wants to carry out their chosen hobby. Whatever that may be.

 

Whilst our own hobby and way of life might be, or at least should be done as quickly and humanely as possible, it is still frowned upon by thousands of people and they would stop it all tomorrow.

 

That alone gives me the attitude "live and let live".