Labour Are Falling Apart

[tatsblisters 10,478]

It looks that way and i can only go on the thoughts and veiws i get around me day in and out that the left have had their day and their shunned by most ordinary working class folk unlike in the mid 80s when tbh i did not know anybody who did not support the left of politics.

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  On 29/06/2016 at 09:24, Blackbriar said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:03, BGD said:

You have to give it to Corbyn he's a stubborn old bugger

You probably know more about this than me, but heres how I see it...

 

He WAS democratically elected by grass roots members of his Party, that is beyond question. I think that what IS being questioned is the nature of that membership. There was large scale entrism by groups, including SWP, in line with Militant infiltration in the 80s. They grouped together, paid their 3 quid, and got their man elected. Now, they seem hell-bent on remaking the whole Party in his image, even if he will never be PM while his ar5e points south !

 

The likes of Dave Nellist and Derek Hatton tried it in the 80s and all they achieved was to make Labour unelectable, a position they didn't recover from until Blair remodelled the Party in HIS image.

 

My money is still on a permanent split, forming a new party.

 

 

Discuss.

He won the vote among established members, £3 supporters and union members pal, it was all broken down after the election.

 

He's lead Labour to victory in every election they've fought since he became leader, I think it's worth letting him have a shot at the GE at least, I can't see any other great talent rising from the ranks anyway?

 

I think a split could well happen pal when Corbyn was asked by Owen Smith if he was prepared to split the party over this he replied "I don't want to, but if necessary". It'd be the Blairites splitting from Corbyn's Labour though IMO, we've got conference coming up and Unite saying they may back changes to the automatic re-selection rules which would pave the way for deselection of all the Blairites. Definitely interesting times ahead for the Labour party whatever happens.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:53, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:24, Blackbriar said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:03, BGD said:

You have to give it to Corbyn he's a stubborn old bugger

You probably know more about this than me, but heres how I see it...

 

He WAS democratically elected by grass roots members of his Party, that is beyond question. I think that what IS being questioned is the nature of that membership. There was large scale entrism by groups, including SWP, in line with Militant infiltration in the 80s. They grouped together, paid their 3 quid, and got their man elected. Now, they seem hell-bent on remaking the whole Party in his image, even if he will never be PM while his ar5e points south !

 

The likes of Dave Nellist and Derek Hatton tried it in the 80s and all they achieved was to make Labour unelectable, a position they didn't recover from until Blair remodelled the Party in HIS image.

 

My money is still on a permanent split, forming a new party.

 

 

Discuss.

He won the vote among established members, £3 supporters and union members pal, it was all broken down after the election.

 

He's lead Labour to victory in every election they've fought since he became leader, I think it's worth letting him have a shot at the GE at least, I can't see any other great talent rising from the ranks anyway?

 

I think a split could well happen pal when Corbyn was asked by Owen Smith if he was prepared to split the party over this he replied "I don't want to, but if necessary". It'd be the Blairites splitting from Corbyn's Labour though IMO, we've got conference coming up and Unite saying they may back changes to the automatic re-selection rules which would pave the way for deselection of all the Blairites. Definitely interesting times ahead for the Labour party whatever happens.

I'm not up on politics like you but what victorys as he led Labour too?

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  On 29/06/2016 at 10:07, johnny boy68 said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:53, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:24, Blackbriar said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:03, BGD said:

You have to give it to Corbyn he's a stubborn old bugger

You probably know more about this than me, but heres how I see it...

 

He WAS democratically elected by grass roots members of his Party, that is beyond question. I think that what IS being questioned is the nature of that membership. There was large scale entrism by groups, including SWP, in line with Militant infiltration in the 80s. They grouped together, paid their 3 quid, and got their man elected. Now, they seem hell-bent on remaking the whole Party in his image, even if he will never be PM while his ar5e points south !

 

The likes of Dave Nellist and Derek Hatton tried it in the 80s and all they achieved was to make Labour unelectable, a position they didn't recover from until Blair remodelled the Party in HIS image.

 

My money is still on a permanent split, forming a new party.

 

 

Discuss.

He won the vote among established members, £3 supporters and union members pal, it was all broken down after the election.

 

He's lead Labour to victory in every election they've fought since he became leader, I think it's worth letting him have a shot at the GE at least, I can't see any other great talent rising from the ranks anyway?

 

I think a split could well happen pal when Corbyn was asked by Owen Smith if he was prepared to split the party over this he replied "I don't want to, but if necessary". It'd be the Blairites splitting from Corbyn's Labour though IMO, we've got conference coming up and Unite saying they may back changes to the automatic re-selection rules which would pave the way for deselection of all the Blairites. Definitely interesting times ahead for the Labour party whatever happens.

I'm not up on politics like you but what victorys as he led Labour too?

 

 

Mayoral, local and a few by-elections

[johnny boy68 11,726]

  On 29/06/2016 at 10:11, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 10:07, johnny boy68 said:

 

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:53, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:24, Blackbriar said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:03, BGD said:

You have to give it to Corbyn he's a stubborn old bugger

You probably know more about this than me, but heres how I see it...

 

He WAS democratically elected by grass roots members of his Party, that is beyond question. I think that what IS being questioned is the nature of that membership. There was large scale entrism by groups, including SWP, in line with Militant infiltration in the 80s. They grouped together, paid their 3 quid, and got their man elected. Now, they seem hell-bent on remaking the whole Party in his image, even if he will never be PM while his ar5e points south !

 

The likes of Dave Nellist and Derek Hatton tried it in the 80s and all they achieved was to make Labour unelectable, a position they didn't recover from until Blair remodelled the Party in HIS image.

 

My money is still on a permanent split, forming a new party.

 

 

Discuss.

He won the vote among established members, £3 supporters and union members pal, it was all broken down after the election.

 

He's lead Labour to victory in every election they've fought since he became leader, I think it's worth letting him have a shot at the GE at least, I can't see any other great talent rising from the ranks anyway?

 

I think a split could well happen pal when Corbyn was asked by Owen Smith if he was prepared to split the party over this he replied "I don't want to, but if necessary". It'd be the Blairites splitting from Corbyn's Labour though IMO, we've got conference coming up and Unite saying they may back changes to the automatic re-selection rules which would pave the way for deselection of all the Blairites. Definitely interesting times ahead for the Labour party whatever happens.

I'm not up on politics like you but what victorys as he led Labour too?

Mayoral, local and a few by-elections

I just read something now and it seems he as done quite well, the mayoral wins seemed to have been deemed as good victories. The political climate at the moment is crying for somebody to get hold of it but I just can't see him being that person though.

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  On 29/06/2016 at 10:21, johnny boy68 said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 10:11, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 10:07, johnny boy68 said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:53, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:24, Blackbriar said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 09:03, BGD said:

You have to give it to Corbyn he's a stubborn old bugger

You probably know more about this than me, but heres how I see it...

 

He WAS democratically elected by grass roots members of his Party, that is beyond question. I think that what IS being questioned is the nature of that membership. There was large scale entrism by groups, including SWP, in line with Militant infiltration in the 80s. They grouped together, paid their 3 quid, and got their man elected. Now, they seem hell-bent on remaking the whole Party in his image, even if he will never be PM while his ar5e points south !

 

The likes of Dave Nellist and Derek Hatton tried it in the 80s and all they achieved was to make Labour unelectable, a position they didn't recover from until Blair remodelled the Party in HIS image.

 

My money is still on a permanent split, forming a new party.

 

 

Discuss.

He won the vote among established members, £3 supporters and union members pal, it was all broken down after the election.

 

He's lead Labour to victory in every election they've fought since he became leader, I think it's worth letting him have a shot at the GE at least, I can't see any other great talent rising from the ranks anyway?

 

I think a split could well happen pal when Corbyn was asked by Owen Smith if he was prepared to split the party over this he replied "I don't want to, but if necessary". It'd be the Blairites splitting from Corbyn's Labour though IMO, we've got conference coming up and Unite saying they may back changes to the automatic re-selection rules which would pave the way for deselection of all the Blairites. Definitely interesting times ahead for the Labour party whatever happens.

I'm not up on politics like you but what victorys as he led Labour too?

Mayoral, local and a few by-elections

I just read something now and it seems he as done quite well, the mayoral wins seemed to have been deemed as good victories. The political climate at the moment is crying for somebody to get hold of it but I just can't see him being that person though.

 

 

And he's managed that with the Blairites in his cabinet (fecking stupid move trying to compromise with them) attacking him and leaking shit to the press and Tories since day one. Now that they've all kindly fecked off he should do even better

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Labour stand a great chance in the next GE, honestly who fecking knows who'll win it in the current climate but I reckon antiestablishment eurosceptic Corbyn is probably their best shot and they need to unite behind him not throw the party into chaos when a GE could be called any minute.

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  On 28/06/2016 at 16:40, BGD said:

 

  On 28/06/2016 at 16:30, downsview said:

These packed venues are mainly universities and other high brow institutes,i want to see him and Tory leaders visit the estate's of south Wales the north and even the south east go to Chatham Corbin and Cameron go to graves end go to the new Addington estate in Croydon and see what has become of once proud people,

Those are exactly the sort of places he goes to and this idea that he only speaks to students on university campuses is demonstrably false, the last speech I was at that he gave was in a run down old resort town and the audience was predominantly middle aged Old Labour supporters...

 

you actually went to one of his speeches? sad so bloody sad

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  On 29/06/2016 at 10:46, ftm said:

 

  On 28/06/2016 at 16:40, BGD said:

 

  On 28/06/2016 at 16:30, downsview said:

These packed venues are mainly universities and other high brow institutes,i want to see him and Tory leaders visit the estate's of south Wales the north and even the south east go to Chatham Corbin and Cameron go to graves end go to the new Addington estate in Croydon and see what has become of once proud people,

Those are exactly the sort of places he goes to and this idea that he only speaks to students on university campuses is demonstrably false, the last speech I was at that he gave was in a run down old resort town and the audience was predominantly middle aged Old Labour supporters...

 

you actually went to one of his speeches? sad so bloody sad

 

 

Getting directly involved in politics trying to effect the change you want to see in a party is sad? Well ok but I'll crack on all the same

 

Maybe if more did the same we'd stop seeing folk moaning that none of the parties represent their views

[johnny boy68 11,726]

PMQ's are interesting today.

[BGD 6,437]

  On 29/06/2016 at 11:18, johnny boy68 said:

PMQ's are interesting today.

Well I thought it was a nice change having a Tory telling him to resign

[BGD 6,437]

  On 29/06/2016 at 11:18, johnny boy68 said:

PMQ's are interesting today.

Well I thought it was a nice change having a Tory telling him to resign

[johnny boy68 11,726]

  On 29/06/2016 at 13:19, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 11:18, johnny boy68 said:

PMQ's are interesting today.

Well I thought it was a nice change having a Tory telling him to resign

Aye I expect he welcomed the change too, he's got Ed Millipede telling him to go now aswell. He's a stubborn fecker I'll give him that lol.

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  On 29/06/2016 at 13:31, johnny boy68 said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 13:19, BGD said:

 

  On 29/06/2016 at 11:18, johnny boy68 said:

PMQ's are interesting today.

Well I thought it was a nice change having a Tory telling him to resign

Aye I expect he welcomed the change too, he's got Ed Millipede telling him to go now aswell. He's a stubborn fecker I'll give him that lol.

I can't belive they really thought they could shift the stubborn old goat so many names have come out calling for him to resign there's no impact anymore. If they had any confidence they would just make an official leadership challenge.

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13,000 people have joined Labour in the last week with 60% giving their reason as "Supporting Corbyn"

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I think the appeal with Corbyn is the fact that he's so far removed from the usual political class. The way he's standing up to the pressure from them and all sections of the media is to his credit. I certainly find it refreshing to have a major political figure stick two fingers up at the rest of them, even if I don't agree with all he says.