Greengrass 201 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I was brought up in the Welsh valleys, where you could put a donkey in for labour ( and they frequently did ) and it would win. As I grew older I could see that socialism was not really working. As stated by nicepix earlier the problem with socialism is people and their greed, the ideal is brilliant, but the reality is something completely different. Capitalism is the only system that really works for this country and most of the world if the truth be told. But I cannot forget the principles of socialism where the weak, old and needy are cared for. When I see ex soldiers with problems living on the streets because they have been abandoned by the very people who caused the problems in the first place, it makes me very angry. When I see people losing their home because capitalistic forces told them they could afford the repayments, only for them to lose their jobs because the firm they worked for was relocated to earn the shareholders more dividends, that makes me angry. Despite capitalism being the only system that really works it has it's faults exactly the same as socialism, people and greed. To my mind the people who extract dividends out of other peoples misery are no better than the dole scrounger. Is it time for a capitalistic party that cares for the less fortunate instead of using them and then discarding them like a used piece of toilet paper? Sorry for the rant. Capalistic party ? Who exactly is going to vote for this ? What I would say is that anybody who signs up for the armed forces should after a certain amount of service be guaranteed housing , social care and some sort of pension TC I was brought up in the Welsh valleys, where you could put a donkey in for labour ( and they frequently did ) and it would win. As I grew older I could see that socialism was not really working. As stated by nicepix earlier the problem with socialism is people and their greed, the ideal is brilliant, but the reality is something completely different. Capitalism is the only system that really works for this country and most of the world if the truth be told. But I cannot forget the principles of socialism where the weak, old and needy are cared for. When I see ex soldiers with problems living on the streets because they have been abandoned by the very people who caused the problems in the first place, it makes me very angry. When I see people losing their home because capitalistic forces told them they could afford the repayments, only for them to lose their jobs because the firm they worked for was relocated to earn the shareholders more dividends, that makes me angry. Despite capitalism being the only system that really works it has it's faults exactly the same as socialism, people and greed. To my mind the people who extract dividends out of other peoples misery are no better than the dole scrounger. Is it time for a capitalistic party that cares for the less fortunate instead of using them and then discarding them like a used piece of toilet paper? Sorry for the rant. TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lid 194 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Capitalism, imo, has gone too far when illogical and wasteful practices are endorsed and encouraged, such as multiple energy suppliers and mobile networks, and profiteering from the provision of other essential services. What is needed is a common sense system that blends the best parts of all doctrines. However as TC says, greed and selfishness seem to prevent this from ever happening. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 We need a new party that puts the British peoples interests and well being 1st 2nd 3rd and fcking always, we need to do away with this left/right capitalist/socialist shit and work together to make Britain great 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,080 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 one change that would improve things vastly for the people would be the opportunity to vote out MP`s who turned out to be self serving idiots before elections if needed, then for the electorate to start thinking about more than just what party to vote for, look at the person, what are his/her own principles, will he/she stand up for them, if they tally with your own vote for them and try and keep them, if not get rid of them, too many seen to have a job for lirfe no matter how clueless they are just because of the party they represent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I think the current system is on its last legs its prehistoric in today's world People are sick too death of politicians lying and cheating nobody even knows who actually really runs the country is it the ones we elect or is it those in Europe we didn't elect? Or is it the media banks or the Jews Muslims maybe it's Take That or Noel Edmonds? Maybe we should have a select panel of uk business men run UK plc in the world market, genuine self made astute millionaires they will do better with our money than a bunch a failures who would never get a job never mind make a million, get clever noted scientists historians mathematicians too run education not the dead beats who ruined this coubtry for years allow a proper doctor too run the nhs allow a proper soldier too run the military in short have leaders who are proven in their field represent UK plc not bloody over privileged wasters that frequent the hides of parliament The rest of the country should be ran by councils locally elected by local people not people who only go live in that area so they den get elected their then did off too London forever lol Major issues could be delivered on tv then voted on at local level once the people have spoken then it leaders act on behalf of the majority a vote for everyone who contributed half a vote for those that are not contributing no vote for anyone but uk citizens Our current system has been in place for centuries they said its tradition I think they have blatantly ignored the use of technology too vote on issues cus they would loose control and be unable too further thief own individual aims ffs why put up with an old system that doesn't work and only benefits muppets we don't need too find them or ever trust any of them again so why will we? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsview 448 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Shame Cameron has gone he had the spine to carry his promise through,what worries me is the thought of a u turn by the establishment the champagne socialists aren't happy and they even though unelected carry a lot of weight in the media etc, I think working people should be very proud under a great deal of pressure we have acted honourably and used the ballot box to show how we feel if we get betrayed it could very well get ugly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 To go back to Tiercel's original question, I think that if Corbyn is re-elected as Labour leader, a new "left-ish" party may form........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,779 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 To go back to Tiercel's original question, I think that if Corbyn is re-elected as Labour leader, a new "left-ish" party may form........do we need any more left fs, I think we voted just in the nick of time 10 yrs later and we would have lost due to migrant children coming of age to vote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Doesn't get much more Labour than down here but that didn't stop our area voting out with the biggest % in Wales. Interesting article here..... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale They fail to tell you that if you go a mile or two down the road into some villages then you'll see no funding. Ebbw Vale gets it all, the surrounding villages are wastelands. Plenty of Eastern Europeans in Ebbw Vale and the surrounding areas so to say that immigration is minimal is rubbish, if there weren't many of them then why open shops up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 To go back to Tiercel's original question, I think that if Corbyn is re-elected as Labour leader, a new "left-ish" party may form........do we need any more left fs, I think we voted just in the nick of time 10 yrs later and we would have lost due to migrant children coming of age to vote I don't think we need another left-leaning party, but I'm not a Labour supporter (big surprise, eh ?). If a significant part of the parliamentary party have no faith in their leader, but a massive majority of grass roots do, what choice do they have ? What IS needed is an effective opposition party, and since that's likely to be Labour for some time, they need to get their house in order ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,080 Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Doesn't get much more Labour than down here but that didn't stop our area voting out with the biggest % in Wales. Interesting article here..... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale They fail to tell you that if you go a mile or two down the road into some villages then you'll see no funding. Ebbw Vale gets it all, the surrounding villages are wastelands. Plenty of Eastern Europeans in Ebbw Vale and the surrounding areas so to say that immigration is minimal is rubbish, if there weren't many of them then why open shops up? there are three types of people who say immigration is minimal, the little villagers who have never travelled to the towns and cities to see how many there actually are here already, the bosses and business owners who profit from the supply of cheap labour and the suppression of wages and the ones here who are immigrants anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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