Eu And Human Rights

[Bryan 1,362]

People campaigned to remain on the basis that the EU promotes and protects human rights. All I've ever seen is people using the european court of human rights to abuse the system.

 

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/isil-suspect-loses-court-bid-to-apply-for-asylum-34831962.html

[Nicepix 5,650]

The EU and the European Court of Human Rights are two totally separate organisations.

[BGD 6,436]

The European Convention on and Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights Act are entirely separate to the EU and both will still apply after Brexit until parliament says otherwise.

Edited June 25, 2016 by BGD

[Born Hunter 17,830]

EU membership requires a state to be a signatory to the ECHR, in that way the EU ties your hands on the matter.

 

The fact that they're separate entities is not the point in the debate on EU membership.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Born Hunter

[walshie 2,804]

Well our hands are untied now. There's a difference (IMO) between basic human rights and these toerags who invoke it at every opportunity just because they have heard it on the tv.

 

Not being tortured to death is a basic human right (unfortunately for some people). Getting to live in a nice cosy house for free with your family of terrorists isn't.

[BGD 6,436]

EU membership requires a state to be a signatory to the ECHR, in that way the EU ties your hands on the matter.

 

There isn't actually anything binding current member states to being signatory to the ECHR.

 

We went over all this when Gove wanted to right a British Bill of Rights remember?

 

Of course it will be different if we ever want to rejoin....

 

The thing that sort of does bind us to it is the Good Friday Agreement.

Edited June 25, 2016 by BGD

[desertbred 5,490]

In my experience Human Rights are normally used to give defence and cover and delay justice to the very ones the laws are supposed to protect against. Basic Human rights should be enshrined in Common Law and used to support and protect the poor the sick the needy and the vunerable. Those that commit terrorist acts, molest children, Rape should forfeit any human rights. As should those who use children as Soldiers. In times of military conflict the War crimes and .Crimes against Humanity should be implemented as human rights are a very grey area in conflict zones. The much touted Geneva Convention is not fit for purpose .

Edited June 25, 2016 by desertbred

[Blackbriar 8,569]

The various human rights acts were meant to offer protection from torture, wrongful imprisonment, imprisonment without trial, trial without legal representation and so on - they were not intended to provide multiple loopholes, to allow any suspect to avoid due legal process.

 

Get them back to their original purpose !!

Edited June 25, 2016 by Blackbriar

[Born Hunter 17,830]

 

EU membership requires a state to be a signatory to the ECHR, in that way the EU ties your hands on the matter.

 

There isn't actually anything binding current member states to being signatory to the ECHR.

 

We went over all this when Gove wanted to right a British Bill of Rights remember?

 

Of course it will be different if we ever want to rejoin....

 

The thing that sort of does bind us to it is the Good Friday Agreement.

In legislation, but politically? Really?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36149798

 

"But could the country, as Theresa May suggests, leave the ECHR and abolish the Human Rights Act, but stay in the EU?

 

That's tricky. There's disagreement between lawyers as to whether adherence to the ECHR is a condition of EU membership, as this House of Commons Library research paper makes clear."

 

You can keep denying it but EU membership had politicians nervous of the matter. The two are directly linked even if not in legislation.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Born Hunter

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EU membership requires a state to be a signatory to the ECHR, in that way the EU ties your hands on the matter.

There isn't actually anything binding current member states to being signatory to the ECHR.

 

We went over all this when Gove wanted to right a British Bill of Rights remember?

 

Of course it will be different if we ever want to rejoin....

 

The thing that sort of does bind us to it is the Good Friday Agreement.

In legislation, but politically? Really?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36149798

 

"But could the country, as Theresa May suggests, leave the ECHR and abolish the Human Rights Act, but stay in the EU?

 

That's tricky. There's disagreement between lawyers as to whether adherence to the ECHR is a condition of EU membership, as this House of Commons Library research paper makes clear."

 

You can keep denying it but EU membership had us tied on the matter.

 

 

EU membership may well have tied us to it in some ways but leaving the EU alone doesn't automatically take us out of it and doesn't really make it any easier to get rid of. At the end of the day we're just as tied to it now through the Good Friday agreement.

 

I really can't see parliament as it stands voting to repeal the HRA anyway, it's why the floated British Bill of Rights never happened.

[Born Hunter 17,830]

I don't know enough to comment further but I do see how removing the implications from the EU on the matter makes it less hassle by removing at least one problem. But as you say, it may well be the case that other factors still make it a no goer.

[Lenmcharristar 9,923]

Scrap the whole lot and rewrite our own, without the loop holes the rapists, murderers, pedos, drug dealers etc etc seem to abuse and have more rights over the victims. If your in the wrong your fcuked and if your a migrant in the wrong your fcuked then fcuked out after

[Lenmcharristar 9,923]

Both the Blair's will be gutted

His dream of being the President of Europe in tatters

And she won't be f***ing everyone over for her pieces of silver re the human rights nonsense.

hope someone gets a hit on them

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