villaman 9,983 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Well at least my conscience is clear ,just voted 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zx12edge 1,001 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just been and put my x in the out box 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,544 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 A number of countries including france have rumblings of discontent and are watching the UK result with keen interest,if its out and i hope it is we can expect to see other in/out referendums across europe,the cracks are showing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 If we don't get out there will be social disruption when the EU gets more members ie turkey and a few more eastern European countries and we become more insignificant. If the remain campaign win it will be the beginning of the end of this country. We will become the unwanted step child that is fed scraps from the table but pushed around and over worked. We will not be in control of our own destiny again. Enoch Powell will become the nostradamus of the UK. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 It's just dawned on me, the eu is turning into a socialist state very much on the left. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 It's just dawned on me, the eu is turning into a socialist state very much on the left. In what way? The EU's economic policy is neoliberal not socialist. What's socialist about forcing states to privatise national industry and implement massive cuts to social programs? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,872 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Socialist in as much as it think stealing vast amounts of it citizens money in tax and stealth tax then giving a little bit back now and again and calling it a benefit is the way to govern. The old socialists do love to piss oceans of other people's money up the wall 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 There's more to socialism than collecting taxes pal you know that, it's what they do with the taxes they collect that matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,611 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Socialist in as much as it think stealing vast amounts of it citizens money in tax and stealth tax then giving a little bit back now and again and calling it a benefit is the way to govern. The old socialists do love to piss oceans of other people's money up the wall Wasn't it maggie who said " the problem with socialists is they soon run out of other people's money to spend " ...somthing like that 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Not classic socialism but socialist in the sense that some countries are being stripped of their sovereignty/powers which are being taken over by the eu. The fact that the eu is redistributing businesses from countries such as the UK and assisting in starting them in countries not so wealthy. They are doing this by accommodating said companies with low interest loans. Last year or the year before a rail company in England needed new trains, another English company said they could make them. The eu said not that's protectionism so the business went to a company in Germany. Whenever the UK does well like last year or the year before the eu took a percentage of that. Is neoliberalism more of a much criticised policy/ideology than a well thought out and proven economic system? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,872 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 There's more to socialism than collecting taxes pal you know that, it's what they do with the taxes they collect that matters. I think people know best how to spend their own money mate, government have not quiet got their heads round that concept 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Not classic socialism but socialist in the sense that some countries are being stripped of their sovereignty/powers which are being taken over by the eu. The fact that the eu is redistributing businesses from countries such as the UK and assisting in starting them in countries not so wealthy. They are doing this by accommodating said companies with low interest loans. Last year or the year before a rail company in England needed new trains, another English company said they could make them. The eu said not that's protectionism so the business went to a company in Germany. Whenever the UK does well like last year or the year before the eu took a percentage of that. Is neoliberalism more of a much criticised policy/ideology than a well thought out and proven economic system? Those anti-protectionist pro-competition rules are one of the most unsocialist things about the EU pal, it makes it almost impossible for states to nationalise industry one of the key pillars of socialism. Every state in the Western world have some hard fought for semi-socialist policies (welfare etc) to keep the masses pacified but you can't call them a socialist state unless their economic policy is guided by socialist philosophy. Neoliberalism works great at what it's intended to do, transfering wealth from the bottom to the top. Edited June 23, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 There's more to socialism than collecting taxes pal you know that, it's what they do with the taxes they collect that matters. I think people know best how to spend their own money mate, government have not quiet got their heads round that concept You're entitled to that very reasonable opinion pal but it doesn't make every state that collects taxes a socialist state Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddog70 236 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) . Edited July 13, 2016 by reddog70 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,611 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Well at least my conscience is clear ,just voted Same here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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