Best Alround Terrier?

[cantona 310]

The few digging bred terriers that I've seen haven't been interested in doing much except getting to ground. Excellent at their job but not sure I would call them all rounders.

if you can't get an earth dog to bush or kill rats then there is something wrong

[socks 32,253]

What do you mean anything else ? I didn't ask you a question in the first place you nutter ... Listen if you can call a terrier off its quarry when it's nose to nose or a lurcher off its quarry when it's about to strike then that dog hasn't got what I would want in a dog ... If those dogs suite you best of luck ......

[green lurchers 16,719]

What do you mean anything else ? I didn't ask you a question in the first place you nutter ... Listen if you can call a terrier off its quarry when it's nose to nose or a lurcher off its quarry when it's about to strike then that dog hasn't got what I would want in a dog ... If those dogs suite you best of luck ......

don't go away now , il tell you about a dog that's not a digging dog that comes away if needed , chuck in he was a very good ratter , I call that an all round terrier

[green lurchers 16,719]

I will add socks youd have give this terrier plenty of kennel space , oh yes

[cantona 310]

 

 

 

IMO you can't have an all round terrier simply for the fact that a good digging dog will drop to ground as soon as it finds an occupied earth ... So if you were out for a days bushing that's your day finished and you have a drama on your hands if you havnt got the correct kit with you to dig to the dog ... The only way to combat this is to break the dog from going to ground therefore you haven't got a dog that can do both jobs ... A terrier is either a bushing type or a digging type .......

 

what if you can call your dog off if needed ? whilst out bushing ,

If you can call your dog off its quarry then it's not a digging dog .....

lol I dug to him enough times to know hes a digging dog , I bushed with him enough times to know he was a top bushing dog , I shot pheasant geese duck all retrieved off water as well to know he could retrieve , I called him out when needed for my reasons but never while out bushing , if you can call a dog out if needed that's a smart all round terrier one you probably will never set eyes on , oh I forgot pidgeon lol

fair play mate, that is a proper all rounder , I have owned and seen terriers that were used as alrounder , started of as a purist terrier on chain getting a mark of lurcher then digging terrier out, trouble is they only got of lead once a week through season if that , then started using them as alrounders and had a lot more sport with them,earth dogs can be trained the same as any other dogs, I used nuttells old stuff powells stuff woodcock and seen some right hard mute ones used for ferreting bushing and on shoots

[Busher100 746]

How did u train them to retrieve ?

[green lurchers 16,719]

 

 

 

 

IMO you can't have an all round terrier simply for the fact that a good digging dog will drop to ground as soon as it finds an occupied earth ... So if you were out for a days bushing that's your day finished and you have a drama on your hands if you havnt got the correct kit with you to dig to the dog ... The only way to combat this is to break the dog from going to ground therefore you haven't got a dog that can do both jobs ... A terrier is either a bushing type or a digging type .......

what if you can call your dog off if needed ? whilst out bushing ,

If you can call your dog off its quarry then it's not a digging dog .....

lol I dug to him enough times to know hes a digging dog , I bushed with him enough times to know he was a top bushing dog , I shot pheasant geese duck all retrieved off water as well to know he could retrieve , I called him out when needed for my reasons but never while out bushing , if you can call a dog out if needed that's a smart all round terrier one you probably will never set eyes on , oh I forgot pidgeon lol

fair play mate, that is a proper all rounder , I have owned and seen terriers that were used as alrounder , started of as a purist terrier on chain getting a mark of lurcher then digging terrier out, trouble is they only got of lead once a week through season if that , then started using them as alrounders and had a lot more sport with them,earth dogs can be trained the same as any other dogs, I used nuttells old stuff powells stuff woodcock and seen some right hard mute ones used for ferreting bushing and on shoots

 

dog was with me 24/7 smartest dog I see , he didn't ferret only thing I never kept at the time , dug him at 7mts , if I picked gun up he knew what to do , if I picked shovel up he knew what was required , dog was too smart , and if needed I could call him out off what ever they call it he listened to me , and would work hand signals a proper allrounder same as the title of the thread

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

The few digging bred terriers that I've seen haven't been interested in doing much except getting to ground. Excellent at their job but not sure I would call them all rounders.

if you can't get an earth dog to bush or kill rats then there is something wrong

What I'm saying is the first hole they come to they will be down and won't be doing much bushing.

 

Ideal if you can guarantee there are no holes where you are bushing but not many can.

[BGD 6,436]

"Jack of all trades, master of none" always comes to mind when folk talk about all rounder terriers.

 

Nothing wrong with that of course if that's the type of dog that suits you and your style of hunting

[Busher100 746]

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

[Plucky1 1,119]

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

Wrong, the only terrier purposely bred as an all rounder was the plummer,look at the breeds in its make up, as for your retrieving question well all dogs can be taught to retrieve, starts with any soft toy in the garden as a pup and developed from there, I bought a good friend of mine a patterdale off a hard well known digging dog in Liverpool, my mate used to be the secretary of a working gun dog club and although a bit hard mouthed loved a day shooting/retrieving, a bit of brain and patience on both sides will do it, a good Plummer works anything you care to teach it,very intelligent and thrives on any work, Socks, you are very wrong in your assessment of terrier work, I can call all my terriers out (eventually) providing they have not engaged their quarry but if they've had a bite then its a dig, anyone with any sort of terrier would never leave home without a spade/torch,etc in the van,I find the more time you spend in the field with your animals the better they are and helps them understand whats acceptable and whats not, WM

[Wales1234 5,542]

 

 

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

Wrong, the only terrier purposely bred as an all rounder was the plummer,look at the breeds in its make up, as for your retrieving question well all dogs can be taught to retrieve, starts with any soft toy in the garden as a pup and developed from there, I bought a good friend of mine a patterdale off a hard well known digging dog in Liverpool, my mate used to be the secretary of a working gun dog club and although a bit hard mouthed loved a day shooting/retrieving, a bit of brain and patience on both sides will do it, a good Plummer works anything you care to teach it,very intelligent and thrives on any work, Socks, you are very wrong in your assessment of terrier work, I can call all my terriers out (eventually) providing they have not engaged their quarry but if they've had a bite then its a dig, anyone with any sort of terrier would never leave home without a spade/torch,etc in the van,I find the more time you spend in the field with your animals the better they are and helps them understand whats acceptable and whats not, WM

Would really like to see these plummers of yours got me very interested !

Iv been around terriers all my life and never seen anything like your saying not a dig generally interested

[Greyman 28,669]

 

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

 

Wrong, the only terrier purposely bred as an all rounder was the plummer,look at the breeds in its make up, as for your retrieving question well all dogs can be taught to retrieve, starts with any soft toy in the garden as a pup and developed from there, I bought a good friend of mine a patterdale off a hard well known digging dog in Liverpool, my mate used to be the secretary of a working gun dog club and although a bit hard mouthed loved a day shooting/retrieving, a bit of brain and patience on both sides will do it, a good Plummer works anything you care to teach it,very intelligent and thrives on any work, Socks, you are very wrong in your assessment of terrier work, I can call all my terriers out (eventually) providing they have not engaged their quarry but if they've had a bite then its a dig, anyone with any sort of terrier would never leave home without a spade/torch,etc in the van,I find the more time you spend in the field with your animals the better they are and helps them understand whats acceptable and whats not, WM

. Sorry to disagree mate, but Plummer was just a fraud puppy farmer like his mate Hancock, not saying there is anything wrong with your dogs, but that is down to subsequent owners and the work they have put into the line, the only thing Plummer added was the colour, that made them look different so he could charge pedigree prices, in over 30 years of owning terriers I,ve had one that fits the description,s I,e hedge, retrieve work to ground, and come out after a bit of calling, she was a border Russell cross that I got from the dogs home, at 6 wks, the main ingredient in all of this was the fact I was young, fit, on the dole and spent my every waking hour hunting,shooting and fishing, and she was always with me and had the right temperament to learn, there is know perfect breed or line, you get out what you put in and every now and then that special dog comes along

[terryd 8,519]

 

 

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

Wrong, the only terrier purposely bred as an all rounder was the plummer,look at the breeds in its make up, as for your retrieving question well all dogs can be taught to retrieve, starts with any soft toy in the garden as a pup and developed from there, I bought a good friend of mine a patterdale off a hard well known digging dog in Liverpool, my mate used to be the secretary of a working gun dog club and although a bit hard mouthed loved a day shooting/retrieving, a bit of brain and patience on both sides will do it, a good Plummer works anything you care to teach it,very intelligent and thrives on any work, Socks, you are very wrong in your assessment of terrier work, I can call all my terriers out (eventually) providing they have not engaged their quarry but if they've had a bite then its a dig, anyone with any sort of terrier would never leave home without a spade/torch,etc in the van,I find the more time you spend in the field with your animals the better they are and helps them understand whats acceptable and whats not, WM

. Sorry to disagree mate, but Plummer was just a fraud puppy farmer like his mate Hancock, not saying there is anything wrong with your dogs, but that is down to subsequent owners and the work they have put into the line, the only thing Plummer added was the colour, that made them look different so he could charge pedigree prices, in over 30 years of owning terriers I,ve had one that fits the description,s I,e hedge, retrieve work to ground, and come out after a bit of calling, she was a border Russell cross that I got from the dogs home, at 6 wks, the main ingredient in all of this was the fact I was young, fit, on the dole and spent my every waking hour hunting,shooting and fishing, and she was always with me and had the right temperament to learn, there is know perfect breed or line, you get out what you put in and every now and then that special dog comes along

 

 

nail on the head there

Edited June 16, 2016 by terryd

[green lurchers 16,719]

 

 

I would of thought a jagd terrier would tick all the boxs they are the only terrier bred for allround work.

Wrong, the only terrier purposely bred as an all rounder was the plummer,look at the breeds in its make up, as for your retrieving question well all dogs can be taught to retrieve, starts with any soft toy in the garden as a pup and developed from there, I bought a good friend of mine a patterdale off a hard well known digging dog in Liverpool, my mate used to be the secretary of a working gun dog club and although a bit hard mouthed loved a day shooting/retrieving, a bit of brain and patience on both sides will do it, a good Plummer works anything you care to teach it,very intelligent and thrives on any work, Socks, you are very wrong in your assessment of terrier work, I can call all my terriers out (eventually) providing they have not engaged their quarry but if they've had a bite then its a dig, anyone with any sort of terrier would never leave home without a spade/torch,etc in the van,I find the more time you spend in the field with your animals the better they are and helps them understand whats acceptable and whats not, WM

. Sorry to disagree mate, but Plummer was just a fraud puppy farmer like his mate Hancock, not saying there is anything wrong with your dogs, but that is down to subsequent owners and the work they have put into the line, the only thing Plummer added was the colour, that made them look different so he could charge pedigree prices, in over 30 years of owning terriers I,ve had one that fits the description,s I,e hedge, retrieve work to ground, and come out after a bit of calling, she was a border Russell cross that I got from the dogs home, at 6 wks, the main ingredient in all of this was the fact I was young, fit, on the dole and spent my every waking hour hunting,shooting and fishing, and she was always with me and had the right temperament to learn, there is know perfect breed or line, you get out what you put in and every now and then that special dog comes along

 

dog like that for me is worth its weight , they don't learn much on a lead and in a kennel , if you get a bond, have the time ,put in the effort it can pay off , like you I fished rough shooted and worked the dog everyday in some aspect of hunting for 4 years, special dogs do come along , jack of all trades can become very good at a few trades inc digging