Breeding - The Importance Of The Female Line

[krawnden 1,036]

I just idly clicked on the link in the ad that's currently running in the Working Dogs classified section for ftc springer spaniel pups and had a quick look at that site. Read this interesting article about the importance of the female when breeding http://www.edgegrovegundogs.co.uk/the_girls.html

[Bosun11 537]

The importance of good bitches to improve stock is huge, not only in a line but in general. I honestly believe many breeders/hunters just 'dont get it and i've preached on the subject for years...

 

Thing is, i should have practiced what i preached 12 years ago and my line would never have ended....

[zigzag dan 784]

I raced greyhounds for many years and once had a chat with multiple Derby winning trainer Charlie Lister , he told me he put far more importance on the lines of the bitch than the dog ,,,,,,,,,,both with what they had done on the track and what had produced in earlier litters ,,,,,,,,,,,remember a stud dog can mate hundreds of bitches ,chances are he will throw a decent pup somewhere , bitches if used correctly should only produce a couple of litters .

[desertbred 5,490]

Our bitches form the basis of our saluki breeding. We say if a farmer has a handful of the best corn seeds and plants them in poor or average soil no matter how he tends the crop it will be poor. The same put the best stud to a poor bitch chances are the pups will struggle as its the bitches body that nutures the litter so best available stud and top quality bitch is the way to go

Edited June 7, 2016 by desertbred

[stone rose 353]

youve only got to look at courseing pedegrees to see most top dogs have come from bitchs that produce litters of top class animals to various stud dogs dont get me wrong the choosing the right stud plays a massive part but i think the bitch plays a bigger roll look at fly eve seagull swoop cindy to name a few they have consistantly produced litters of top class dogs

[krawnden 1,036]

I raced greyhounds for many years and once had a chat with multiple Derby winning trainer Charlie Lister , he told me he put far more importance on the lines of the bitch than the dog ,,,,,,,,,,both with what they had done on the track and what had produced in earlier litters ,,,,,,,,,,,remember a stud dog can mate hundreds of bitches ,chances are he will throw a decent pup somewhere , bitches if used correctly should only produce a couple of litters .

 

I heard an interview on Radio Four last week about Golden Horn, the 2015 Derby winner, who's been retired to stud. So far he's covered 147 mares at £60k a pop, 93% (from memory, I think) of which have conceived. I couldn't help wondering at the time I was listening, how many of those mares were top class and how many were 'also rans' whose owners were hoping for great things by using a top stallion....

[stone rose 353]

i wonder how much frankel would be did golden horn win the arc or was it a race at the breeders

[Dave6592 51]

i wonder how much frankel would be did golden horn win the arc or was it a race at the breeders

Frankels stud fee starts at £100,000 probably more after Cunco bolted up on debut. Majoris ran since and looked to need further imo. Cunco out of a very good mare Chrysanthemum. Be interesting to see when he's been put to an also ran what he produces. Then again, some 'also rans' can produce top quality stuff I'm sure.

[stone rose 353]

i hadnt realized how good a horse golden horn was just looked up his achivements and theres a whole list top class horse hope he goes on to be a great stallion

[green lurchers 16,679]

after winning a stakes race at 2 lammtarra won the deby the king George and the arc , 4 races in all then sold to japan for some astro figure , he was bred in the purple but pretty much failed as a stallion , reg frankel he has one of his girls running at haydock 2nd race today called fair eva in the same colours as frankel ryan moore onboard be interesting to see how she does , on recent stallions gallileo and sea the stars are the best producers frankel being a son of gallileo and golden horn out of sea the stars sire cape cross ,, last weeks derby winner harzand a son of sea the stars bred to the ahga khans very influencial and succesful dam lines ,, will add in 2014 the best way bred austrailia won the derby, sire gallileo dam Ouija board(7 time G1 winner) who was a daughter of cape cross who was sea the stars sire and a classic case of best to best breeding , dosnt allways work but it does most of the time

Edited June 8, 2016 by green lurchers

[Teckers 662]

 

I just idly clicked on the link in the ad that's currently running in the Working Dogs classified section for ftc springer spaniel pups and had a quick look at that site. Read this interesting article about the importance of the female when breeding http://www.edgegrovegundogs.co.uk/the_girls.html[/ interesting link pal thanks for posting ?

[stone rose 353]

i remember lammtarra winning the derby if i remember rightly won a maidon then went to the derby a 16 to 1 shot had money on him that day another horse that springs to mind was halling or hailing maybe im sure he was pretty impressive but a bad temprament think he only run a few races have to have a look into that one

[stone rose 353]

thinking about it i think lammtarra was the one who was difficult to train on

[stone rose 353]

just red up on halling i was wrong he had plenty of races very sucsesful horse

[green lurchers 16,679]

i remember lammtarra winning the derby if i remember rightly won a maidon then went to the derby a 16 to 1 shot had money on him that day another horse that springs to mind was halling or hailing maybe im sure he was pretty impressive but a bad temprament think he only run a few races have to have a look into that one

I had him that day and was at Epsom he was a very good horse only doing enough to win his races unstylish they call it but a horse with true grit , last wks derby see me back moonlight magic who had lammtarra on the dam side ,for sentiment reason I backed it but he didn't fair well, think was sold to japan not long after his arc win , he did come back to stand in England ,died a few years back now ,still one of my fav horses