Muhammad Ali Rip Champ

[shepp 2,285]

 

 

One of the most entertaining of boxers,in and out of the ring and a sad loss.I have major issue with the greatest,he was beat 5 times,his corner cheated Cooper,Liston took a dive in the second fight and Frazier beat him in both fighters prime,plus he was put in the ring with more than his share of doughnuts,Bugner and Dunn come to mind and Bugner took him the distance.If he had have been white he would have been lost in the history of boxing,he was a voice for the "brothers" at the time when it was becoming expedient to be a brother and jump on the bandwagon of equal rights.Entertainer definitely,especially out of the ring,greatest,never even close.

 

Every champion barring Marciano was defeated on more than one occasion but he was in a poor era filled with has beens and never beens. Hell he beat Joe Louis when he was 105 years old....

Marciano never got beat,especially as the syndicate owned,promoted and regulated the outcome of many of his victories,then along comes another boxer,owned by a syndicate and a world champion refuses to climb off his seat after 6 rounds and takes a dive in his next encounter,then he gets beat,refuses the draft and lets another nigger take his place,beats a few bums and spends the majority of a fight on the ropes when another referee would have kicked him out of the ring for his refusal to fight,then he becomes the worlds greatest athlete,sportsman and boxer.What i fail to understand is if Ali was the greatest,then what were the 5 that beat him,the greatest 5 that beat the greatest or the 5 that are of no concern to the political climate that made Cassius the the great.If you finish 6th in a race you become the 6th fastest runner,in Ali,s cause 5 were disqualified to serve the political climate that he milked.

f**k, is there anything you can't turn into a conspiracy?

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Marciano never got beat,especially as the syndicate owned,promoted and regulated the outcome of many of his victories,then along comes another boxer,owned by a syndicate and a world champion refuses to climb off his seat after 6 rounds and takes a dive in his next encounter,then he gets beat,refuses the draft and lets another nigger take his place,beats a few bums and spends the majority of a fight on the ropes when another referee would have kicked him out of the ring for his refusal to fight,then he becomes the worlds greatest athlete,sportsman and boxer.What i fail to understand is if Ali was the greatest,then what were the 5 that beat him,the greatest 5 that beat the greatest or the 5 that are of no concern to the political climate that made Cassius the the great.If you finish 6th in a race you become the 6th fastest runner,in Ali,s cause 5 were disqualified to serve the political climate that he milked.

 

wow what a cracking logic i like that i reckon i could probably manoeuvre the mighty Hammers into the greatest team of all time with careful thought !.....let me get this right 5 people beat him so they are all better fighters than him......yet 3 of them he beat in returns so shall we just say Trevor Berbick was the greatest heavyweight in history being as he beat him last......certainly blows my theory out the water about Sugar Ray Robinson.....but at least having only lost 19 fights he could still be in the top 20 of all time.

Edited June 5, 2016 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

One of the most entertaining of boxers,in and out of the ring and a sad loss.I have major issue with the greatest,he was beat 5 times,his corner cheated Cooper,Liston took a dive in the second fight and Frazier beat him in both fighters prime,plus he was put in the ring with more than his share of doughnuts,Bugner and Dunn come to mind and Bugner took him the distance.If he had have been white he would have been lost in the history of boxing,he was a voice for the "brothers" at the time when it was becoming expedient to be a brother and jump on the bandwagon of equal rights.Entertainer definitely,especially out of the ring,greatest,never even close.

Every champion barring Marciano was defeated on more than one occasion but he was in a poor era filled with has beens and never beens. Hell he beat Joe Louis when he was 105 years old....

Marciano never got beat,especially as the syndicate owned,promoted and regulated the outcome of many of his victories,then along comes another boxer,owned by a syndicate and a world champion refuses to climb off his seat after 6 rounds and takes a dive in his next encounter,then he gets beat,refuses the draft and lets another nigger take his place,beats a few bums and spends the majority of a fight on the ropes when another referee would have kicked him out of the ring for his refusal to fight,then he becomes the worlds greatest athlete,sportsman and boxer.What i fail to understand is if Ali was the greatest,then what were the 5 that beat him,the greatest 5 that beat the greatest or the 5 that are of no concern to the political climate that made Cassius the the great.If you finish 6th in a race you become the 6th fastest runner,in Ali,s cause 5 were disqualified to serve the political climate that he milked.

He never got beat because he didn't face any great fighters at their peak. Tell me which fighters Ali would have lost to if he had the same opposition has Rocky. That's not knocking Rocky at all but I'm just being realistic.

 

Liston didn't get off his seat because he was taking a beating by the best Heavyweight ever. He's not the first fighter to quit and certainly wasn't the last. You do talk out of your arse, you probably haven't even seen the Rumble in the Jungle with bullshit comments like that. Ali was doing great against Foreman throughout the fight and was picking him apart with jabs and lead rights. He got beat because he faced top competition and was past his best. Marciano didn't have the balls to make a comeback after he'd retired. He went into training after Ingamar Johannsen became champion but then said he didn't have it in him anymore. Ali was a differnt animal and didn't have any quit in him at all.

Edited June 5, 2016 by DogFox123

[MickC 1,825]

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as the first FOTC due to the rematch being in 1938 the same year Hitlers army had moved into Austria and the World was on the brink of World war so the political ramifications were massive riding on the result of this fight.Was it going to be a win for the alleged Aryan superiority ? The fight was hailed as Democracy against Facism.Louis retired iirc in 1948 after defeating JJW but had to return to fighting as he lost all his money to the US treasury and US government in a well documented case,upon his return he wasn't the same and picked up a further two defeats to Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano .

Edited June 5, 2016 by MickC

[DogFox123 1,379]

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost to as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as

I can handle that, each to their own. I just feel Ali's resume and career defining fights against better opposition give Ali the top spot.

[MickC 1,825]

Dogfox I agree,each to there own Even the boxing sites cant agree who was the best Heavyweight ever.

[bird 9,916]

 

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost to as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as

I can handle that, each to their own. I just feel Ali's resume and career defining fights against better opposition give Ali the top spot.

 

how do you rate lennox lewis, ok not the best ever, but a real good'un

[TOMO 26,182]

 

 

 

One of the most entertaining of boxers,in and out of the ring and a sad loss.I have major issue with the greatest,he was beat 5 times,his corner cheated Cooper,Liston took a dive in the second fight and Frazier beat him in both fighters prime,plus he was put in the ring with more than his share of doughnuts,Bugner and Dunn come to mind and Bugner took him the distance.If he had have been white he would have been lost in the history of boxing,he was a voice for the "brothers" at the time when it was becoming expedient to be a brother and jump on the bandwagon of equal rights.Entertainer definitely,especially out of the ring,greatest,never even close.

Every champion barring Marciano was defeated on more than one occasion but he was in a poor era filled with has beens and never beens. Hell he beat Joe Louis when he was 105 years old....

Marciano never got beat,especially as the syndicate owned,promoted and regulated the outcome of many of his victories,then along comes another boxer,owned by a syndicate and a world champion refuses to climb off his seat after 6 rounds and takes a dive in his next encounter,then he gets beat,refuses the draft and lets another nigger take his place,beats a few bums and spends the majority of a fight on the ropes when another referee would have kicked him out of the ring for his refusal to fight,then he becomes the worlds greatest athlete,sportsman and boxer.What i fail to understand is if Ali was the greatest,then what were the 5 that beat him,the greatest 5 that beat the greatest or the 5 that are of no concern to the political climate that made Cassius the the great.If you finish 6th in a race you become the 6th fastest runner,in Ali,s cause 5 were disqualified to serve the political climate that he milked.

f**k, is there anything you can't turn into a conspiracy?

He's just an angry man mate,,,,one of the grumpy old c**ts,,that wouldn't give you your ball back as a kid,,,lol

[Lenmcharristar 9,786]

 

 

 

 

One of the most entertaining of boxers,in and out of the ring and a sad loss.I have major issue with the greatest,he was beat 5 times,his corner cheated Cooper,Liston took a dive in the second fight and Frazier beat him in both fighters prime,plus he was put in the ring with more than his share of doughnuts,Bugner and Dunn come to mind and Bugner took him the distance.If he had have been white he would have been lost in the history of boxing,he was a voice for the "brothers" at the time when it was becoming expedient to be a brother and jump on the bandwagon of equal rights.Entertainer definitely,especially out of the ring,greatest,never even close.

Every champion barring Marciano was defeated on more than one occasion but he was in a poor era filled with has beens and never beens. Hell he beat Joe Louis when he was 105 years old....

Marciano never got beat,especially as the syndicate owned,promoted and regulated the outcome of many of his victories,then along comes another boxer,owned by a syndicate and a world champion refuses to climb off his seat after 6 rounds and takes a dive in his next encounter,then he gets beat,refuses the draft and lets another nigger take his place,beats a few bums and spends the majority of a fight on the ropes when another referee would have kicked him out of the ring for his refusal to fight,then he becomes the worlds greatest athlete,sportsman and boxer.What i fail to understand is if Ali was the greatest,then what were the 5 that beat him,the greatest 5 that beat the greatest or the 5 that are of no concern to the political climate that made Cassius the the great.If you finish 6th in a race you become the 6th fastest runner,in Ali,s cause 5 were disqualified to serve the political climate that he milked.

f**k, is there anything you can't turn into a conspiracy?

He's just an angry man mate,,,,one of the grumpy old c**ts,,that wouldn't give you your ball back as a kid,,,lol

and every night you pinged his window and he always gave chase, lolol

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost to as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as

I can handle that, each to their own. I just feel Ali's resume and career defining fights against better opposition give Ali the top spot.

how do you rate lennox lewis, ok not the best ever, but a real good'un

Very good heavyweight but those two big knockout losses definitely stain his legacy. I still feel earlier versions of Tyson and Holyfield beat him. He almost certainly makes it into the top 10 list IMO.

[pesky1972 5,285]

Sport loves it's heroes and icons and we've just lost the greatest there ever was, and maybe ever will be again.

Whether he was the greatest boxer of them all, that's for another debate....

RIP Champ ?

[shepp 2,285]

 

 

 

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost to as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as

I can handle that, each to their own. I just feel Ali's resume and career defining fights against better opposition give Ali the top spot.

how do you rate lennox lewis, ok not the best ever, but a real good'un

Very good heavyweight but those two big knockout losses definitely stain his legacy. I still feel earlier versions of Tyson and Holyfield beat him. He almost certainly makes it into the top 10 list IMO.

Lewis was a bit lazy and needed a real challenge to motivate him. But when faced with a challenge, he was able to perform when it mattered.

His losses were just sloppy, but he did avenge them.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

Most rankings/ratings sites have either Louis or Ali as the best Heavyweight ever.Both were very good but I choose Louis over Ali because he defeated more Ring ranked contenders in Heavyweight history,won 26 world title fights,was World champion for 140 consecutive months (almost 12 years),and defeated 6 lineal Heavyweight champions.Yes he lost to as an up and coming fighter to the vastly more experienced Schmeling but in the rematch totally destroyed him in what was billed as

I can handle that, each to their own. I just feel Ali's resume and career defining fights against better opposition give Ali the top spot.

how do you rate lennox lewis, ok not the best ever, but a real good'un

Very good heavyweight but those two big knockout losses definitely stain his legacy. I still feel earlier versions of Tyson and Holyfield beat him. He almost certainly makes it into the top 10 list IMO.

Lewis was a bit lazy and needed a real challenge to motivate him. But when faced with a challenge, he was able to perform when it mattered.

His losses were just sloppy, but he did avenge them.

I don't think he was being lazy in the first McCall fight, Stewards advice to Oliver was spot on. As soon as you see Lewis going for a right hand throw yours immediately.