DogFox123 1,379 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) If you guys are thinking it was the cut glove that saved him against Cooper that is utter rubbish. There's a myth that it delayed the fight by minutes when in fact it was mere seconds. The real dodgy thing that helped Ali out was smelling salts which I believe was illegal at the time. I still can't see Cooper finishing Ali off anyway, his recuperative power's were extraordinary. Edited June 4, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 https://youtu.be/NHgo_m6qN4I Wow, talk about a lump in the throat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil cooney 10,416 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO. Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them years I don't hate the Brits, quiet the opposite in fact and I'm bewildered to why you think that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO.Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them years And if Billy Conn could outbox Joe Louis for most of the fight then Ali would have run rings around him..... All fighters have rough patches in their fights, thing is Ali always found a way to survive, Joe Louis didn't. That's what makes Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time IMO. Louis admitted he underestimated Conn and dehydrated himself...but he knocked Conn out to win the fight!!...in fact he knocked him out both times they met!...like Sugar Ray said he would of knocked Ali out As for the first Clay-v-Cooper fight...like i said Angelo Dundee admitted in his own words to what he called "gamesmanship"...he also said he saw the tear in the glove before the fight started...and when you think Cooper was stopped on cuts...Ali was a way better boxer than Cooper could ever be im not saying otherwise...im just saying when people say he wasnt fit to lace Ali's boots...well Ali was lucky in the first fight...very lucky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO.Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them yearsAnd if Billy Conn could outbox Joe Louis for most of the fight then Ali would have run rings around him..... All fighters have rough patches in their fights, thing is Ali always found a way to survive, Joe Louis didn't. That's what makes Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time IMO. Louis admitted he underestimated Conn and dehydrated himself...but he knocked Conn out to win the fight!!...in fact he knocked him out both times they met!...like Sugar Ray said he would of knocked Ali out As for the first Clay-v-Cooper fight...like i said Angelo Dundee admitted in his own words to what he called "gamesmanship"...he also said he saw the tear in the glove before the fight started...and when you think Cooper was stopped on cuts...Ali was a way better boxer than Cooper could ever be im not saying otherwise...im just saying when people say he wasnt fit to lace Ali's boots...well Ali was lucky in the first fight...very lucky So what, that's on Louis. Every fighter out there has got an excuse for a defeat... You do realise the glove took seconds to sort out. Ali got up and battered Cooper the very next round. The first time Louis met adversity he was knocked out by Max Schmeling, Ali still found a way. Edited June 5, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO. Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them years our own heavyweight here,[big joe joyce]would have give him all he wanted.he might have to have soaked his hands in peterel for a month for ali though.lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO.Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them yearsAnd if Billy Conn could outbox Joe Louis for most of the fight then Ali would have run rings around him..... All fighters have rough patches in their fights, thing is Ali always found a way to survive, Joe Louis didn't. That's what makes Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time IMO. Louis admitted he underestimated Conn and dehydrated himself...but he knocked Conn out to win the fight!!...in fact he knocked him out both times they met!...like Sugar Ray said he would of knocked Ali out As for the first Clay-v-Cooper fight...like i said Angelo Dundee admitted in his own words to what he called "gamesmanship"...he also said he saw the tear in the glove before the fight started...and when you think Cooper was stopped on cuts...Ali was a way better boxer than Cooper could ever be im not saying otherwise...im just saying when people say he wasnt fit to lace Ali's boots...well Ali was lucky in the first fight...very lucky So what, that's on Louis. Every fighter out there has got an excuse for a defeat... You do realise the glove took seconds to sort out. Ali got up and battered Cooper the very next round. The first time Louis met adversity he was knocked out by Max Schmeling, Ali still found a way. And in the rematch Louis knocked Schmeling out in a round!...would you judge Lennox Lewis career on the first Rahman fight?? Some say seconds others minutes...but you do realise the gloves didnt get changed in the end...the fight went on with a tear in them...and Cooper was stopped on cuts...and as you previously mentioned the illegal use of smelling salts and Dundee helping Clay to his corner...think we will just have to agree to disagree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,938 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO.Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them years And if Billy Conn could outbox Joe Louis for most of the fight then Ali would have run rings around him..... All fighters have rough patches in their fights, thing is Ali always found a way to survive, Joe Louis didn't. That's what makes Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time IMO. Louis admitted he underestimated Conn and dehydrated himself...but he knocked Conn out to win the fight!!...in fact he knocked him out both times they met!...like Sugar Ray said he would of knocked Ali out As for the first Clay-v-Cooper fight...like i said Angelo Dundee admitted in his own words to what he called "gamesmanship"...he also said he saw the tear in the glove before the fight started...and when you think Cooper was stopped on cuts...Ali was a way better boxer than Cooper could ever be im not saying otherwise...im just saying when people say he wasnt fit to lace Ali's boots...well Ali was lucky in the first fight...very lucky yeh ali was lucky that night with cooper, it could have been coopers night from that punch. But i dont think cooper would have gone much further in his career as a heavyweight , as he was never a natural weight he only fought at 13 st 4lb .Cooper would not live with the big strong heavyweights in the 70--90s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. RIP ali. he was one of the greatest boxers in a era of good/great boxers and quite possibly the the greatest of all times. That's the thing Trigger, he was a Champion in an era of Super Champions. The Golden Era IMO.Watching the news this morning they kept showing the footage of Henry Cooper putting Ali on the ropes. FFS I think that moment in sporting history meant more to you Brits than the '66 World Cup . LOL. Does everything come down to a hate of the Brits with you or what!???...anyway what was the name of the Heavyweight out of Ireland that put Clay on his arse?? i forget...was it Dan Donnelly maybe?? ...Cooper had one of the best left hooks in the division at that point...Clay was saved by the bell...and if it wernt for a bit of 'gamesmanship' by Angelo Dundee(his words) he wouldnt of made it out for the 5th!...Sugar Ray Robinson hit the nail on the head when he used to say that if Cooper could knock Ali down...Louis would of knocked him out!...but still one of the Greatest...R.I.P...free now after what he had to live with all them yearsAnd if Billy Conn could outbox Joe Louis for most of the fight then Ali would have run rings around him..... All fighters have rough patches in their fights, thing is Ali always found a way to survive, Joe Louis didn't. That's what makes Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time IMO. Louis admitted he underestimated Conn and dehydrated himself...but he knocked Conn out to win the fight!!...in fact he knocked him out both times they met!...like Sugar Ray said he would of knocked Ali out As for the first Clay-v-Cooper fight...like i said Angelo Dundee admitted in his own words to what he called "gamesmanship"...he also said he saw the tear in the glove before the fight started...and when you think Cooper was stopped on cuts...Ali was a way better boxer than Cooper could ever be im not saying otherwise...im just saying when people say he wasnt fit to lace Ali's boots...well Ali was lucky in the first fight...very lucky So what, that's on Louis. Every fighter out there has got an excuse for a defeat... You do realise the glove took seconds to sort out. Ali got up and battered Cooper the very next round. The first time Louis met adversity he was knocked out by Max Schmeling, Ali still found a way. And in the rematch Louis knocked Schmeling out in a round!...would you judge Lennox Lewis career on the first Rahman fight??Some say seconds others minutes...but you do realise the gloves didnt get changed in the end...the fight went on with a tear in them...and Cooper was stopped on cuts...and as you previously mentioned the illegal use of smelling salts and Dundee helping Clay to his corner...think we will just have to agree to disagree Facts are the gloves cost seconds not minutes. Yes the use of smelling salts was illegal at the time I believe but you know aswell as I do Ali's recuperative skills were the best the division has ever seen. He showed in the Frazier fight he could survive almost being knocked out. The man was a warrior and as game as they come. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Larry Holmes could arguably recover from big shots as good as Ali if not better. Joe Louis for me was the best Heavyweight,longest reign and a record of 66 wins(53 kos) with only 3 losses,Alis record was 56 wins(37 kos) and 5 losses.You could arguably even put Holmes in the top 3 with his record of 66 wins(44 kos) and only 6 defeats al lin world tittle fights,and the second longest reign iirc (Wlad might have second longest reign now). I rank the top 3 as 1 Joe Louis 2 Jack Johnson 3 Muhammad Ali. When Louis and Johson fought they also fought in a more racist time than what Ali did,when Johnson won the undisputed title from the unbeaten Jeffries the film of it was banned from being shown by the President of America. Edited June 5, 2016 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darbo 4,776 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Ali for me had a fantastic chin and took some real punishment during his time. Larry holmes another with great powers of recovery. Forget about when tyson stopped him he was old and well past his sell by date. I still cant believe how he got up from the shavers punch one of the hardest hitters in history. https://youtu.be/XoGTufCNN7o 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 45,653 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Rip Ali. Atb dc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Larry Holmes could arguably recover from big shots as good as Ali if not better. Joe Louis for me was the best Heavyweight,longest reign and a record of 66 wins(53 kos) with only 3 losses,Alis record was 56 wins(37 kos) and 5 losses.You could arguably even put Holmes in the top 3 with his record of 66 wins(44 kos) and only 6 defeats al lin world tittle fights,and the second longest reign iirc (Wlad might have second longest reign now). I rank the top 3 as 1 Joe Louis 2 Jack Johnson 3 Muhammad Ali. When Louis and Johson fought they also fought in a more racist time than what Ali did,when Johnson won the undisputed title from the unbeaten Jeffries the film of it was banned from being shown by the President of America. Larry could recover good but was a step behind Ali in that department and didn't have the chin to quite match the greatest. Louis had a long reign but his resume is way behind Ali's. Ali also didn't lose until he'd been out of the sport for over 3 years. Louis was KTFO by Schmeling when he was in his pomp. Ali in my mind is the greatest heavyweight of all time. Edited June 5, 2016 by DogFox123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bryan 1,362 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 RIP A great human being, flawed like us all, not unbeaten, but an inspiration to anyone open to inspiration. You can say Ali, couldn't beat Louis, Tyson or Johnson. But on paper there was NO WAY he could beat Foreman. He believed he could and he did. "These hands can cash any cheque my mouth writes" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) RIP A great human being, flawed like us all, not unbeaten, but an inspiration to anyone open to inspiration. You can say Ali, couldn't beat Louis, Tyson or Johnson. But on paper there was NO WAY he could beat Foreman. He believed he could and he did. "These hands can cash any cheque my mouth writes" Foreman had been cut in sparring before the Ali fight and had been sick for days before it and wanted to cancel the fight,he wasn't allowed and was told he had to fight,the fight went ahead and the rest is history.Ali lost to Norton and Frazier,Foreman destroyed them both but that's boxing. Edited June 5, 2016 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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