Older Age Springers.

[mark williams 7,558]

I was chatting with a fellow air gun hunter, a few days back and we were talking about ,as kids, we all shot .22 cal and wouldn't be seen dead with a .177 rifle

Anyway he said that the Airsporter days, Mercury etc, etc the .177 was rare, compared to .22 and that in those days were "under powered" in the .177 cal .

Basically he was saying that the .22 power levels of yesteryear were around 10.5 ft/lbs and .177 around 9 ft/lbs or less .

I have fancied hunting with an old classic combination a while now but in .177 cal

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Any truth in this .177 statement lads ?

 

atb

 

p.s. I can imagine the recoil on an old age springer in .177 to be quite bad.

[Coypu Hunter 486]

Well, .177 requires a stronger spring behind it to generate the same power as .22, because the .177 pellet is lighter and spends less time in the barrel under acceleration. This also explains why modern .177s tend to have harsher recoil.

 

So I guess it could be true that early .177 rifles used the same action as .22, resulting in less velocity/power, and that the development of stronger springs came along later when the calibre took off...?

 

If that's the case, then the recoil wouldn't be too harsh, but the power level would be on the low side.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Coypu Hunter

[jonnie bravo 572]

If the internals of said springer are identical, with the.22 being more efficient it will be higher powered. Using a pellet like rws hobby might help bump the power up though - if it likes them!

 

 

I've had the hw99 in both cals now the.177 ran at around 9fpe the .22 is currently running at 10.2 with rws superfields and 10.7 with rws hobbies

[steg 609]

I often wonder about the webley hawk i had in the seventy/eighties with the. 177/.22 interchangeable barrels...wonder what the difference in chrono readings would have been like?

[steg 609]

What are we saying lads?

 

Say my hawk was pushing 11.5 ft/lbs in 177 for example (unlikely back then I know) and then i put the 22 barrel on it would have been blowing hot sort of speak?

 

Atb steg

[jonnie bravo 572]

I'd reckon so steg

[steg 609]

I'd reckon so steg

Cheers jb..with you now

[barrywhite 282]

a 177 needs more air to get the same power as a 22 . in the old bsa air sporter there is a finite amount of air in the cylinder limiting the power . no matter how much spring you add the power will stay at 10 ft lbs 22 or 9 ft lbs 177 . my dad would piss me of slagging of my webley super target 177 saying it was not as good as his air sporter 22 he had as a kid . I had no problems hunting with my mark three super target .

[Underdog 2,337]

Yes vulcans where a lb down in 177 due to using the same action as the 22 thus the myth a 22 is more powerful came to be.

When the field targeters realised how good a full chat 177 is the truth was revealed!

[Rez 4,961]

Id get on the pests with an 1988 Lazaglide Venom HW80.

 

And I wouldn't give a shit about the calibre

 

Do it mark.

 

In all honestly, this Diana rep of a K98 has really caught my eye. Massive fan of Band of Brothers, world war 2 games etc growing up. Imagine going out with a German Mauser

 

 

I know its not 'old' but its new old. So to speak.

[Coypu Hunter 486]

Id get on the pests with an 1988 Lazaglide Venom HW80.

 

And I wouldn't give a shit about the calibre

 

Do it mark.

 

In all honestly, this Diana rep of a K98 has really caught my eye. Massive fan of Band of Brothers, world war 2 games etc growing up. Imagine going out with a German Mauser

 

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I know its not 'old' but its new old. So to speak.

 

Shame they don't do an M1 Garand... or the M1 Carbine...

[bigmac 97kt 13,806]

Id get on the pests with an 1988 Lazaglide Venom HW80.

 

And I wouldn't give a shit about the calibre

 

Do it mark.

 

In all honestly, this Diana rep of a K98 has really caught my eye. Massive fan of Band of Brothers, world war 2 games etc growing up. Imagine going out with a German Mauser

 

160222143311002-2.jpg

 

I know its not 'old' but its new old. So to speak.

How much is this rez

 

all you need is a old type scope

 

and you would have a ww2 sniper rifle lol

 

atvbmac :thumbs:

[pianoman 3,587]

WOW! I'm having one of those! I heard this Mauser K98 copy is being built on the Diana 46 underlever. That was a great rifle, so this K98 copy will not be a poor do for hunting.

 

Any ideas on price anyone?

 

And I wouldn't trade my 18 year old HW80 .22 for anything made today either!

[Nicepix 5,650]

Makes you wonder how we used to get on back then. No Chronies. We gauged power by how the pellet penetrated a wooden fence post. No bipods, sticks, etc. We actually had to hold our guns in our hands But at least everyone had a rangefinder. Well, everyone who still had two eyes that is

 

I only had .177s all the way through from 1970-71 when I got my Milbro 16, through the BSA years, into the brief Weihrauch HW77 period right up to buying my first PCP, a Logun in .22 around twelve years ago. The first .22 I'd ever owned. Soon went back to .177 though, and a springer

[just-A-snap 1,269]

Do not know about any one else, but every car I have driven that was mine in the 1970s - 80s - 90s - 2000s, was and is driven from A to B, it Worked and Works, did and does its job. However much some would say that is Crap it was and is my Crap.

 

I have not to long re joined the Air Rifle Community and have a BSA Scorpion SE .177 and a Ultra SE .22 both work and do their job and more to the point All Mine, if Crap then My Crap. Hindsight is as we all know after the fact, but not always a good thing. Every Air Rifle I shot in the 1960s - 70s and up to the early 1980s for me was a joy and The Dogs Gonads. Just wonder if there is too much of a good thing Now Days?

 

All the best

Renos

Edited June 3, 2016 by just-A-snap