Euros 2016

[walshie 2,804]

Do you English lads still think that maybe the media still builds your hopes a little high at times? Maybe the pressure gets to the players a bit, I know they handle pressure for there clubs but that's club pride they're playing for not national pride. I'd imagine playing for your country brings a different kind of pressure and the media loves to build them up but they also like to knock them down. England have players that a lot of teams would love to have but they can't seem to click as a unit for some reason, whatever the reason it's got to be maddening for you lads to take.

I still think the nation and the media put too much pressure on the team and they struggle to deliver.

 

On the tv last night they had a 15 minute segment about England, even though they're out. Then they decided to talk about Wales who are in the Q/F, the media create this elitist attitude around England and maybe that filters down to the players. You only have to watch these Euro's to see the emphasis that they put on England.

 

You've a squad of great players just not a great team on the field.

 

Great players that can't play as a team isn't much use in a team game. I have never understood why the England team is hyped up so much when every shred of actual evidence points to them being shite. I understand national pride of course, and WANTING them to win, but assuming they will do better than all their previous poor performances is a blinkered view IMO.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

I don't like comparing rugby to football but the English rugby team have one of the most talented teams in the world but until they got in Eddie Jones in they fell short.

He took the pressure off his players and them winning the grand slam and now whitewashed the Aussies down there.

Maybe the England team need a coach like that to bring them on, Roy never struck me as a man who commanded authority.

[Accip74 7,112]

Do you English lads still think that maybe the media still builds your hopes a little high at times? Maybe the pressure gets to the players a bit, I know they handle pressure for there clubs but that's club pride they're playing for not national pride. I'd imagine playing for your country brings a different kind of pressure and the media loves to build them up but they also like to knock them down. England have players that a lot of teams would love to have but they can't seem to click as a unit for some reason, whatever the reason it's got to be maddening for you lads to take.

I still think the nation and the media put too much pressure on the team and they struggle to deliver.

On the tv last night they had a 15 minute segment about England, even though they're out. Then they decided to talk about Wales who are in the Q/F, the media create this elitist attitude around England and maybe that filters down to the players. You only have to watch these Euro's to see the emphasis that they put on England.

You've a squad of great players just not a great team on the field.

I think media pressure is a poor excuse tbh. I honestly don't think expectations are that high or not at least for the last 2-3 tournaments.

I can't pretend to have a great knowledge of the game, but I've watched every England game in every major tournament for as long as can remember. That's meant lying & even sneaking over walls at times to get away from work etc to see them.....

....all that was done with genuine excitement & expectation, but I haven't felt that in a long time.......I almost watch impassively these days....

 

......I just want to see some cohesion & passion! some 'freshness' even......its not to much to ask for imo

[Astanley 11,567]

Non of the England players draw a wage ,it all goes to a charity ,Gary Neville organised it when he was playing for them ,

 

If you give them a good strong manager ,a settled system they all know and trust ,play them in their best positions ,I believe they would be in the top six teams of world football .

 

This is only my own very humble opinion ,and by no means a fact .

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

I dont think body type has anything to do with it these lads are all highly tuned athletes these days performing at very low bodyweight as they are surrounded by dieticians sports scientists etc......players like Bale/Ronaldo yes are tremendous natural athletes but thats just a speed/acceleration thing for the most part players are physically quite similar its quite obvious to me these England players suffer some kind of mental block when they pull an England shirt on.......why that is we can guess at all day long but i dont think theres any doubt that players like Ali/Kane who performed fantastically all year for their club for some reason froze and didnt perform for England and its been that way for a while now.

They play fantastically well for their clubs week in and week out. But when they play for England they aren't playing with the same team mates, not following the same tactics and sometimes not even in their favoured positions. Kane is fantastic at holding the ball up, yet Roy played him in a way that he had to go looking for the ball. He is good in the air, yet ended up taking corners and free kicks. Vardy thrives on through balls as a result of a counter attack. But England try to play the ball out slowly and carefully. If they are going to play like ManU why pick players from Tottenham and Leicester?

I agree with this analysis, i am no expert on the English soccer team but this explanation makes a lot of sense and the main blame clearly lies with the manager. At least he sacked himself but that is not going to put the $100 back in my wallet. That is the last time I back the English soccer team.

[gnasher16 30,062]

 

 

Klinsman takes over & we start doing really well, but you'll show no interest? Too busy watching rugby? Haha....

 

Theres lines in sport you just cant cross in my opinion.

 

Do you English lads still think that maybe the media still builds your hopes a little high at times? Maybe the pressure gets to the players a bit, I know they handle pressure for there clubs but that's club pride they're playing for not national pride. I'd imagine playing for your country brings a different kind of pressure and the media loves to build them up but they also like to knock them down. England have players that a lot of teams would love to have but they can't seem to click as a unit for some reason, whatever the reason it's got to be maddening for you lads to take.

I still think the nation and the media put too much pressure on the team and they struggle to deliver.

 

On the tv last night they had a 15 minute segment about England, even though they're out. Then they decided to talk about Wales who are in the Q/F, the media create this elitist attitude around England and maybe that filters down to the players. You only have to watch these Euro's to see the emphasis that they put on England.

 

You've a squad of great players just not a great team on the field.

Definitely yes.....and not just the media but the public as well.......Johnny your lot are playing their biggest game in years tonight.....how many of the Welsh press and public are sitting eagerly anticipating their failure and subsequent humiliation ?......none would be my guess......we bang on about team spirit and togetherness in England when as a society we have none and cant wait to rip into them look at the public humiliation we put on poor Gareth Southgate and other such players who missed vital penalties.....even sinking as low as to make tv adverts ridiculing them ok its all a bit of fun but the intention to humiliate is there and its something no player wants on their cv hence its much of the reason they seem to play in fear in my opinion.......as a society and a media we love to build people up right to the very top as it makes an even bigger crash when we drag them down again its a horrible nasty trait we seem to have that no other country has......most countries admire and support their sporting stars particularly when representing the country.......we just cant do that we,re too busy looking for some scandal in their private lives to rip them to shreds on !

Edited July 1, 2016 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,062]

 

If you give them a good strong manager ,a settled system they all know and trust ,play them in their best positions ,I believe they would be in the top six teams of world football .

 

With this i agree.....its not the reason we played like 8 year olds but it doesnt help......year in year out everybody knows how the Italians play,everybody knows how the Spanish play,everybody knows how the Germans play..................even our own manager didnt know how the English team were going to play before or during the tournament !

[NEWKID 27,132]

The other night the very basics went out of the window, everything was wrong, it was honestly the worst performance you could ever see.

Likes been said lots of times now, these are good players, there is no doubting the ability of these players but it never seems to click.

The last time we clicked as a side was in '96 and I think Venabals approach, man management, togetherness with in the squad along with some very good players.... and of course Gazza, was what pulled it all together, Venabals got it just right IMO

The players loved him and worked for him, and most importantly believed in him, the played to his system and his ethos, before that Bobby Robson was the same (I wonder if stints in Spain help the national manager???)

 

Since then I don't remember a manager for England who the players truly believe in, you can see it on the pitch, Sven, cappelo, that f***ing muppet Mclaren, Hodgson... we just haven't got it right in 20 years and in that time some brilliant players have been and gone...Look at the waste of Paul Scholes for the national side, he was probably the best midfielder in the country at that time but was never played properly...

 

The next manager is vital, I really hoped Neville wouldv'e succeeded in Spain as I thought he could've been the man, but he has to shoulder some of the blame for this crap so not now unfortunately.

 

I honestly don't believe money has any affect on the players, every top nation the players are paid huge amounts of money now, but they still compete, Germany, Spain, Italy etc do think these lads are skint and playing so well through hunger, yeah right!!

 

There drilled properly, look at that Italian manager, that's passion!!

[shepp 2,285]

And now we've lost the chance of Harry Rednap.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

 

 

 

Klinsman takes over & we start doing really well, but you'll show no interest? Too busy watching rugby? Haha....

 

Theres lines in sport you just cant cross in my opinion.

Do you English lads still think that maybe the media still builds your hopes a little high at times? Maybe the pressure gets to the players a bit, I know they handle pressure for there clubs but that's club pride they're playing for not national pride. I'd imagine playing for your country brings a different kind of pressure and the media loves to build them up but they also like to knock them down. England have players that a lot of teams would love to have but they can't seem to click as a unit for some reason, whatever the reason it's got to be maddening for you lads to take.

I still think the nation and the media put too much pressure on the team and they struggle to deliver.

 

On the tv last night they had a 15 minute segment about England, even though they're out. Then they decided to talk about Wales who are in the Q/F, the media create this elitist attitude around England and maybe that filters down to the players. You only have to watch these Euro's to see the emphasis that they put on England.

 

You've a squad of great players just not a great team on the field.

Definitely yes.....and not just the media but the public as well.......Johnny your lot are playing their biggest game in years tonight.....how many of the Welsh press and public are sitting eagerly anticipating their failure and subsequent humiliation ?......none would be my guess......we bang on about team spirit and togetherness in England when as a society we have none and cant wait to rip into them look at the public humiliation we put on poor Gareth Southgate and other such players who missed vital penalties.....even sinking as low as to make tv adverts ridiculing them ok its all a bit of fun but the intention to humiliate is there and its something no player wants on their cv hence its much of the reason they seem to play in fear in my opinion.......as a society and a media we love to build people up right to the very top as it makes an even bigger crash when we drag them down again its a horrible nasty trait we seem to have that no other country has......most countries admire and support their sporting stars particularly when representing the country.......we just cant do that we,re too busy looking for some scandal in their private lives to rip them to shreds on !

I've always thought that was the case tbh, ruthless as fck at times. I bet some of them lads reading the fallout over the years have felt like shit. Frightened of having a bad performance for fear of getting mullered then having a stinker because of pressure, I think they can't win at times with the media.

I think the only pressure on our boys tonight is what they'll put on themselves, nobody here is putting any on them. We all want them to do well but we'll not give them any crap and negativity if they don't.

[gnasher16 30,062]

The other night the very basics went out of the window, everything was wrong, it was honestly the worst performance you could ever see.

Likes been said lots of times now, these are good players, there is no doubting the ability of these players but it never seems to click.

The last time we clicked as a side was in '96 and I think Venabals approach, man management, togetherness with in the squad along with some very good players.... and of course Gazza, was what pulled it all together, Venabals got it just right IMO

The players loved him and worked for him, and most importantly believed in him, the played to his system and his ethos, before that Bobby Robson was the same (I wonder if stints in Spain help the national manager???)

 

Since then I don't remember a manager for England who the players truly believe in, you can see it on the pitch, Sven, cappelo, that f***ing muppet Mclaren, Hodgson... we just haven't got it right in 20 years and in that time some brilliant players have been and gone...Look at the waste of Paul Scholes for the national side, he was probably the best midfielder in the country at that time but was never played properly...

 

The next manager is vital, I really hoped Neville wouldv'e succeeded in Spain as I thought he could've been the man, but he has to shoulder some of the blame for this crap so not now unfortunately.

 

I honestly don't believe money has any affect on the players, every top nation the players are paid huge amounts of money now, but they still compete, Germany, Spain, Italy etc do think these lads are skint and playing so well through hunger, yeah right!!

 

There drilled properly, look at that Italian manager, that's passion!!

Great post that ......​i dont see why we have to write Gary Neville off though,like Venners and Robson he,s one of your own and probably has a good rapport with players.

 

 

 

I've always thought that was the case tbh, ruthless as fck at times. I bet some of them lads reading the fallout over the years have felt like shit. Frightened of having a bad performance for fear of getting mullered then having a stinker because of pressure, I think they can't win at times with the media.

I think the only pressure on our boys tonight is what they'll put on themselves, nobody here is putting any on them. We all want them to do well but we'll not give them any crap and negativity if they don't.

 

Exactly......its like Joe Hart we was constantly giving off about players having no passion and not singing the national anthem so he absolutely roars it out almost crying in the process.......only to apparently get pulled up by Ian Wright in the studio over the goalkeeping mistake for being too passionate

 

You can tell these lads are didgy and nervy when playing for England its not difficult to see.

Edited July 1, 2016 by gnasher16

[Accip74 7,112]

 

Klinsman takes over & we start doing really well, but you'll show no interest? Too busy watching rugby? Haha....

 

Theres lines in sport you just cant cross in my opinion.

 

Do you English lads still think that maybe the media still builds your hopes a little high at times? Maybe the pressure gets to the players a bit, I know they handle pressure for there clubs but that's club pride they're playing for not national pride. I'd imagine playing for your country brings a different kind of pressure and the media loves to build them up but they also like to knock them down. England have players that a lot of teams would love to have but they can't seem to click as a unit for some reason, whatever the reason it's got to be maddening for you lads to take.

I still think the nation and the media put too much pressure on the team and they struggle to deliver.

On the tv last night they had a 15 minute segment about England, even though they're out. Then they decided to talk about Wales who are in the Q/F, the media create this elitist attitude around England and maybe that filters down to the players. You only have to watch these Euro's to see the emphasis that they put on England.

You've a squad of great players just not a great team on the field.

 

Definitely yes.....and not just the media but the public as well.......Johnny your lot are playing their biggest game in years tonight.....how many of the Welsh press and public are sitting eagerly anticipating their failure and subsequent humiliation ?......none would be my guess......we bang on about team spirit and togetherness in England when as a society we have none and cant wait to rip into them look at the public humiliation we put on poor Gareth Southgate and other such players who missed vital penalties.....even sinking as low as to make tv adverts ridiculing them ok its all a bit of fun but the intention to humiliate is there and its something no player wants on their cv hence its much of the reason they seem to play in fear in my opinion.......as a society and a media we love to build people up right to the very top as it makes an even bigger crash when we drag them down again its a horrible nasty trait we seem to have that no other country has......most countries admire and support their sporting stars particularly when representing the country.......we just cant do that we,re too busy looking for some scandal in their private lives to rip them to shreds on !

Maybe it's not a coach we need, but a social worker?

 

There's plenty of other countries with tabloid journalism as bad, if not worse than ours........it's not exclusive to the uk. Scandal within the french side has been all over their press running up to the tournament, can we blame that if they go out next?

I think the old 'build them up, knock them down......' argument is over used, although valid at times, it's not applicable for today's England football team, besides, we're talking individuals that's faced scandal, not the whole squad!...

 

...there's plenty of decent support for our sportsmen & women, with a lot success in other areas...........but we also have a habit of wheeling out old excuses ;-)

 

.....although relinquishing support if Klinsman becomes coach could be a new one haha..

Edited July 1, 2016 by Accip74

[green lurchers 16,621]

plenty of countrys demand success other than England , we over here start believing weve already won it before we played it , when we can string a few decent results together in tournaments the form is in the book , banging 5 or 3 past san marino is irelivent , holding Italy spain Germany brazil and winning the odd game against them is a run of form , gary Neville would be a backward step , we need flair on the pitch and a manager who promotes it tacticly ,the England players are in exactly the same boat as the rest of the teams in the tournaments , regarding pressure on the pitch the simple fact is hodgeson has wasted years just hope we get as said above another tel v and players like scholes Lampard gazza hoodle in the middle who can play unlike rooney

Edited July 1, 2016 by green lurchers

[NEWKID 27,132]

Neville is still young and I think one for the future, he needs to find some success and get some "good" experiences under his belt, I like him and think he talks a lot of sense, he knows the game inside out but his disastrous time in Spain and this recent England experience will have taken it's toll.

Would like to see him go back a step personally to move forward, a more natural progression in management would be good for him I think, but certainly one for the future IMO

 

Redknapp shouldv'e been the man, he done a great job at Spurs and was prime for the move, never understood why he never got it.

 

Of the English managers at the top now who would you pick?

 

Alan Pardew?? seems to have a good rapport with the players, but I'm not sure he's got the nous for it.

 

Sam Allardyce?? Max may have a point, he gets results by hook or by crook, don't like his style of play personally, but I suppose it's a very English way..

 

Steve Bruce?? steady manager, loads of experience now but doesn't do enough for me.

 

Eddie Howe?? definitely one for the future, I like the way his side plays, to keep them up last year without breaking the bank and by playing a bit of decent football shows he knows how to manage, few years away for me personally..

 

British

 

Mark Hughes?? was doing a decent job at Man City before he was shafted, got Stoke playing decent football, he's a decent manager IMO plus he's Welsh and those boys have it sussed lol

 

Ryan Giggs?? no not yet not done any thing.... but alongside Neville??...... no I'm talking shit!! lol

 

Brendan Rodgers?? he had that Liverpool side playing great football, but Suarez f****d off and it was deemed a one man team, a bit harsh maybe but the truth was they looked crap after...

 

Or do you go foreign??

[johnny boy68 11,726]

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