Any Apbt Folks On Here?

[DogFox123 1,379]

Give me some examples of SUCCESSFUL scatter bred european dogs. I rarely see them tbh.

 

For breeding, I think its worth looking into the Filipinos and how they do their birds tbh. They get through multiple generations much quicker and develop their theories based on this. Of course there are also other methods too

Breeding for gameness is very complicated indeed, where the hell did it come from in the first place? I don't think it's a trait that can be bred for, if that's the case you could eventually get game dogs off a poodle. It skips generations and supposedly can be affected by outside factors such as bad health, poor conditioning. Some men believe there's different degrees of gameness where others believe it's either game or a cur. If only we had the answers.....

[chesney 5,454]

Which lines have the highest cull percentages the scatter bred east European dogs or tightly line bred dogs of good old england or the Mexicans just happy with what they see or the great american lines.

[Carlovian 592]

You might make a good box dog out of scatterbred dogs but will it be able to reproduce in a consistent manner? With tight family bred dogs you can make a much more educated guess as to how certain pairings will turn out and so plan your breedings better and hopefully end up with higher percentage of pups making decent dogs.

I don't believe you get any better percentage of good dogs from tight bred dogs, plenty of scatter bred dogs ,,,produce ,,,dogs like Ch Jeep ,,his sire was no way related to his dam ,,his dam's parents ware not related to each other ,,,when he was alive he was one of ,,if not the top producer,,,

[Dead Eyes 681]

But the Eli carver mix has gotta be the best mix there's been. Plus his momma was the best breeder there's ever been?

 

Her breeding is the bottom side in a lot of the modern greats too

[Dead Eyes 681]

But the Eli carver mix has gotta be the best mix there's been. Plus his momma was the best breeder there's ever been?

 

Her breeding is the bottom side in a lot of the modern greats too

Oh, and one of that litter got beat by one of these 'European scatter Breds'

[Dead Eyes 681]

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Edited August 10, 2016 by Dead Eyes

[rippem 455]

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

[Bosun11 537]

Surely, with all the information on game dogs, you could see from the matches which bred type is the better. I'd have my money on line bred dogs...

[Carlovian 592]

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

[DogFox123 1,379]

Surely, with all the information on game dogs, you could see from the matches which bred type is the better. I'd have my money on line bred dogs...

Not necessarily because battle crosses can throw freak dogs, they make great dogs for the box but like it's been said they lack the consistency to produce....

Edited August 11, 2016 by DogFox123

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

Nobody said the European dogs are all scatter bred, but I know they liked to breed best to best. I've been on certain forums and the boys from the east don't half like to brag about how superior their dogs are because of the rules they use....

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

 

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

Nobody said the European dogs are all scatter bred, but I know they liked to breed best to best. I've been on certain forums and the boys from the east don't half like to brag about how superior their dogs are because of the rules they use....

I think the only advantage east European lads have is their laws aren't as tough. If I was left in peace I have no doubt I could produce some cracking dogs and i am sure many are in the same boat. I have seen some Japanese bulldogs and there were some heavy mouthed dogs, but all the ones I saw were overweight and lacked athleticism. The laws are very relaxed there too, forever may it last.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

Nobody said the European dogs are all scatter bred, but I know they liked to breed best to best. I've been on certain forums and the boys from the east don't half like to brag about how superior their dogs are because of the rules they use....

I think the only advantage east European lads have is their laws aren't as tough. If I was left in peace I have no doubt I could produce some cracking dogs and i am sure many are in the same boat. I have seen some Japanese bulldogs and there were some heavy mouthed dogs, but all the ones I saw were overweight and lacked athleticism. The laws are very relaxed there too, forever may it last.

I've seen large dogs in China and Korea that resemble Bulldog x Tosa mixes and they are game as they come despite not being in great condition.

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

 

 

 

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

Nobody said the European dogs are all scatter bred, but I know they liked to breed best to best. I've been on certain forums and the boys from the east don't half like to brag about how superior their dogs are because of the rules they use....

I think the only advantage east European lads have is their laws aren't as tough. If I was left in peace I have no doubt I could produce some cracking dogs and i am sure many are in the same boat. I have seen some Japanese bulldogs and there were some heavy mouthed dogs, but all the ones I saw were overweight and lacked athleticism. The laws are very relaxed there too, forever may it last.

I've seen large dogs in China and Korea that resemble Bulldog x Tosa mixes and they are game as they come despite not being in great condition.

When I say Japanese bulldogs I meant apbt in Japan not tosa. I did see tosa as well, I actually saw one of the best tosa of all time! He had retired to stud and he was a big powerful beast. I have to say the videos and live action I saw I cannot call them 'game'

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe there are great dogs in every country. But I believe here in the states and Mexico is were you will find more game dogs then any were else..and I also believe that if you scatter bred your dog's you lesson your chances of getting anything good..I would never scatter breed anything. You lack consistency and will loose the traits you like. I think line breeding is the best way to stay consistent..

But all the bloodline that get real tight ,,usually produce weak low standard dogs ,,, any how who said ,,all dogs in Europe , East Europe are scatter bred,,? the lines I'm going by that are very tight bred ,,that are now poor dogs ,,are Colby , Old Family red nose , Mayfield ,,

Nobody said the European dogs are all scatter bred, but I know they liked to breed best to best. I've been on certain forums and the boys from the east don't half like to brag about how superior their dogs are because of the rules they use....

I think the only advantage east European lads have is their laws aren't as tough. If I was left in peace I have no doubt I could produce some cracking dogs and i am sure many are in the same boat. I have seen some Japanese bulldogs and there were some heavy mouthed dogs, but all the ones I saw were overweight and lacked athleticism. The laws are very relaxed there too, forever may it last.

I've seen large dogs in China and Korea that resemble Bulldog x Tosa mixes and they are game as they come despite not being in great condition.

When I say Japanese bulldogs I meant apbt in Japan not tosa. I did see tosa as well, I actually saw one of the best tosa of all time! He had retired to stud and he was a big powerful beast. I have to say the videos and live action I saw I cannot call them 'game'

I know what you meant. I'm talking about Pit mixes I've seen in China and Korea.