Anybody Have Any Knowledge On Employment Law

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

 

Are you not in a union?

No mate

Ask for a review.

 

I'm not a lawyer, but look smart in a suit and can speak quite well. If you need someone to stand beside you in the review, drop me a PM.

[delswal 3,819]

 

Are you not in a union?

No mate

 

For the sake of £13 a month join the union, I am a rep for Unite, not only will you be represented at your place of work, you will receive a free telephone help line, free legal representation from numerous specialised solicitors, lot's of other benefits.

 

If you do not have a shop steward at your place of work Unite will have an area rep to visit you should you have the need of their services.

[steve66 3,498]

Sadly i cant say the same geko

[ryaldinhio 4,684]

Right guys, time to stop the band wagon. Everyone is saying this company broke procedures or broke rules without knowing the companies procedures.

 

I think you will find, unfortunately, that there is no specific procedure in law regarding dismisals. The law only states it must be fair.

 

It appears what they have done is given you a disciplinary with written confirmation. They should have given you prior notice and given you the opportunity to take someone in with you and your views should have been heard, again however I dont think this is law but 'guidance'.

 

From what you describe I would envisage they may be trying to squeeze some people out, as is often the case with a change of management. With this in mind I would advise you start a work diary and record everything. Also you need to object to the disciplinary in writing and (once you are sure they have not followed correct procedure) lodge a complaint about how it was handled, this will lead to them either recinding the warning or holding a meeting with you. At any future meetings take a pen and notepad and take thorough minutes ask for time to run through them to agree accuracy and to sign for that matter. Make it clear at the begining of the meeting that this is your intention.

 

Make no bones about it guys, a company can get rid of anyone at anytime, thorough records of procedings will simply help your claim case.

 

My biggest piece of advice, seek advice from an employment lawyer not a union. First half hour is free anyway.

[ryaldinhio 4,684]

 

 

 

Are you not in a union?

No mate

For the sake of £13 a month join the union, I am a rep for Unite, not only will you be represented at your place of work, you will receive a free telephone help line, free legal representation from numerous specialised solicitors, lot's of other benefits.

 

If you do not have a shop steward at your place of work Unite will have an area rep to visit you should you have the need of their services.

with all due respect fella there were 11guys made redundant at our place last year and unite REFUSED to attend meetings for the lads. One of them had been paying in union 40 years first time he called on em.

 

waste of money.

[DIDO.1 22,844]

Only time iv come across unite is when they have been stood side by side with gangs of muzzies, causing trouble and spreading hate against anyone they class as "right wing"

 

Is that the same lot or am I getting mixed up?

[monkey 449]

Who do you work for monkey, one of the worst ive come across is dhl abslote twats for breaking employment law

Dovecote park at pontefract

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Only time iv come across unite is when they have been stood side by side with gangs of muzzies, causing trouble and spreading hate against anyone they class as "right wing"

Is that the same lot or am I getting mixed up?

Are you not confusing them with union against fascism?

 

Further research would suggest you're correct. Unite have issued statements opposing the 'apartheid state of Israel'.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Right guys, time to stop the band wagon. Everyone is saying this company broke procedures or broke rules without knowing the companies procedures.

I think you will find, unfortunately, that there is no specific procedure in law regarding dismisals. The law only states it must be fair.

It appears what they have done is given you a disciplinary with written confirmation. They should have given you prior notice and given you the opportunity to take someone in with you and your views should have been heard, again however I dont think this is law but 'guidance'.

From what you describe I would envisage they may be trying to squeeze some people out, as is often the case with a change of management. With this in mind I would advise you start a work diary and record everything. Also you need to object to the disciplinary in writing and (once you are sure they have not followed correct procedure) lodge a complaint about how it was handled, this will lead to them either recinding the warning or holding a meeting with you. At any future meetings take a pen and notepad and take thorough minutes ask for time to run through them to agree accuracy and to sign for that matter. Make it clear at the begining of the meeting that this is your intention.

Make no bones about it guys, a company can get rid of anyone at anytime, thorough records of procedings will simply help your claim case.

My biggest piece of advice, seek advice from an employment lawyer not a union. First half hour is free anyway.

All good advice, but use a voice recorder not a pen and paper. No law against recording conversations, and no need to tell the other participants you are recording them.

[jessdale 416]

I need some advice if possible, been dragged in by my line manager this afternoon and given a written warning for apparently standing around last Friday just before we knocked off. Been with the company 3 1/2 years and have never had one bit of trouble with them before this, great attendance record , no previous warnings for anything, so this has come out of the blue. Not just myself but 4 others were also given the same, at the end of my interview I was told I had to sign my written warning I asked if legally I was obliged to do this as I thought it was a load of nonsense and did,nt agree with it,my line manager said yes I legally had to sign it so I did but not before telling him I was,nt happy about it. We I need to know is did I legally have to sign it ?.

This warning lasts for 6 months, but the reason it was given was very vague...I have said to the manager to check the cctv cameras and he will see that none of us were standing around to any extent that would warrant a written warning.

Any help or advice would be really appreciated.

Cheers

My daughter is a employment law paralegal so she deals with things like this day in day out. Your details are too vague for any advice to be given. Don't take advice from THL advisor's because it is usually nonsense. Get some proper advice and describe everything truthfully.

[delswal 3,819]

 

 

 

Are you not in a union?

No mate

For the sake of £13 a month join the union, I am a rep for Unite, not only will you be represented at your place of work, you will receive a free telephone help line, free legal representation from numerous specialised solicitors, lot's of other benefits.

 

If you do not have a shop steward at your place of work Unite will have an area rep to visit you should you have the need of their services.

with all due respect fella there were 11guys made redundant at our place last year and unite REFUSED to attend meetings for the lads. One of them had been paying in union 40 years first time he called on em.

 

waste of money.

 

Just out of curiosity RY which company did you work for and which regional officer refused to attend your members? Something of this nature I would like to bring up at my next branch meeting and ask the question and raise the issue of why no representation was available to members when requested.

[ryaldinhio 4,684]

 

 

 

 

 

Are you not in a union?

No mate

For the sake of £13 a month join the union, I am a rep for Unite, not only will you be represented at your place of work, you will receive a free telephone help line, free legal representation from numerous specialised solicitors, lot's of other benefits.

 

If you do not have a shop steward at your place of work Unite will have an area rep to visit you should you have the need of their services.

with all due respect fella there were 11guys made redundant at our place last year and unite REFUSED to attend meetings for the lads. One of them had been paying in union 40 years first time he called on em.

 

waste of money.

Just out of curiosity RY which company did you work for and which regional officer refused to attend your members? Something of this nature I would like to bring up at my next branch meeting and ask the question and raise the issue of why no representation was available to members when requested.

I am still employed by the company, in this case I was the other side of the table. However I had known these lads for over ten years having worked my way up. It was a genuine redundancy situation and was all dealt with above board.

 

I am not sure who the rep is but we are a Leeds based Mechanical and Electrical contracting firm.

 

I did not talk to the rep directly but what the lads told me afterwards was he said union dont come to first meeting, they were to take notes and ring him back. Then when they rung back for further advice he asked if anyone was appealing, they werent, so he said no need for union to get involved.

[ryaldinhio 4,684]

For the record it was one of the hardest things I have had to do. I was asked if I would be on the selecting comitee and accepted because i thought, foolishly, I may be able to alter proceedings. I knew these guys and their families. I thought if I could save just one itd be worthwhile...it didnt turn out like that.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Sadly i cant say the same geko

It's always worth having a good suit handy. You never know when you might need it, weddings, funerals, police interviews, magistrates court etc.

 

I'm sure there have been studies which prove magistrates court defendants in suits are dealt with less harshly than those in trackies and trainers. Mainly, because most magistrates are snobby twats who like to think they can look down on everyone from their elevated position on the bench.

 

The speaking thing is just practice.

[ryaldinhio 4,684]

 

I need some advice if possible, been dragged in by my line manager this afternoon and given a written warning for apparently standing around last Friday just before we knocked off. Been with the company 3 1/2 years and have never had one bit of trouble with them before this, great attendance record , no previous warnings for anything, so this has come out of the blue. Not just myself but 4 others were also given the same, at the end of my interview I was told I had to sign my written warning I asked if legally I was obliged to do this as I thought it was a load of nonsense and did,nt agree with it,my line manager said yes I legally had to sign it so I did but not before telling him I was,nt happy about it. We I need to know is did I legally have to sign it ?.

This warning lasts for 6 months, but the reason it was given was very vague...I have said to the manager to check the cctv cameras and he will see that none of us were standing around to any extent that would warrant a written warning.

Any help or advice would be really appreciated.

Cheers

My daughter is a employment law paralegal so she deals with things like this day in day out. Your details are too vague for any advice to be given. Don't take advice from THL advisor's because it is usually nonsense. Get some proper advice and describe everything truthfully.

Jessdale, could you not put him in touch with your daughter or her firm for some advice?