Question For The Experienced...

[Dan McDonough 560]

So, I'm fairly new to lurchers and longdogs but I have some to this question. For someone who has the idea of wanting a lurcher that is big enough to handle most game and styles of hunting, would an old pro choose a first cross collie lurcher or a 3/4 bred collie lurcher?

 

Thanks in advance.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Dan McDonough

[FUJI 17,328]

Either or would suffice imo,I'd personally get one from proven working parents so not exactly a 1st cross but a 2nd or 3rd generation cross or in layman's term a collie x grey X collie x grey,still a collie/ grey but 2nd generation or even tenth generation lol as long as they are all worked & tested somewhat..good luck & enjoy what lays ahead buddy

[green dragon 701]

For me the collie bull greyhound . Smart strong and fast . There quick anuf for rabbits and I have no doubt you get a couple on one of them yotes and it's over but what ever dog you do decide to get you will have a lot of fun mate

[bird 9,984]

a 1/4 colliex 3/4 lurcher, would fit the bill for most quarry, it hasnt got to be over clever to pick a rabbit up, or tackle a fox , or deer , just bit of guts and it will get that from running dog= greyhound / lurcher

[forest of dean redneck 11,734]

Bull x collie x deerhound x saluki

[johnpee 214]

Saluki bull grey. Has speed stamina and guts.

[king 11,984]

Considering you have boar over there.i would say bull x

Edited April 27, 2016 by king

[Dan McDonough 560]

As some of you know we don't have very any lurchers in the USA. What few there are are spread out far and wide and most are unknown. Right now I may be the only person in the entire country that has lurchers for sale. If I don't make it then it's not really there. In light of the scarcity of lurchers to choose from I can't sit back and rely on others assessments of the parents and other ancestors. I've worked and evaluated all of the ancestors myself and picked out the cream of the crop. A few of you have read the little bit I've posted about the stag x border collie lurchers I've made over the past few years and the 3/4 bred litter is out of the ingredients I have here.

 

I'm mostly wondering about the general difference between the smarts of the first crosses and the 3/4 crosses. I'm wondering how much intelligence is lost in the second cross.

 

I'm not just banging around with these dogs. I ask them to learn some pretty complex things.

[BlackStreak 498]

Have you ever looked on Vargys coyote board. Pretty much the biggest outlet for saleing and buying working lurchers and long dogs in the US.

Most of which are bred for running down and killing coyotes.

Few of us here in the US use lurchers for boar also. Slightly different dog than that of the coyote guys.

The Hawaiians run a lot of lurchers for pigs but they are different kind than the few of us that catch pigs similar to the Aussie style. The two different styles require different kind of lurchers.

[Dan McDonough 560]

Been on Vargy's for years now. It's nearly always just stags.

 

Also, I'm not interested in the fight style that any bull x would bring. Plus, I like them creepy smart and that's not in the bulldog's wheel house.

[Tyla 3,179]

A little off topic but how is your jagdx coming on Dan?

[bird 9,984]

As some of you know we don't have very any lurchers in the USA. What few there are are spread out far and wide and most are unknown. Right now I may be the only person in the entire country that has lurchers for sale. If I don't make it then it's not really there. In light of the scarcity of lurchers to choose from I can't sit back and rely on others assessments of the parents and other ancestors. I've worked and evaluated all of the ancestors myself and picked out the cream of the crop. A few of you have read the little bit I've posted about the stag x border collie lurchers I've made over the past few years and the 3/4 bred litter is out of the ingredients I have here.

 

I'm mostly wondering about the general difference between the smarts of the first crosses and the 3/4 crosses. I'm wondering how much intelligence is lost in the second cross.

 

I'm not just banging around with these dogs. I ask them to learn some pretty complex things.

well dan, having had 3 collie x greys before = 2 1xs , and a 3/8 c 5/8 grey i know fair bit about them. my mate had 1/4 collie = bearded collie x border collie x 3/4 greyhound.Now this dog had plenty of brains, not much difference to the 1xs , bit more faster and plenty of guts for killing foxes which it did , and being honest it wasn't as sensitive like my 1xs are and were, it was one of the reasons i went for a 1x gsd x grey, as there more fire in there belly than you average collie x grey, my dog now Buck very full on type dog when hunting, will tackle whats in front of him . regards your quarry yotes , i think you need more stag in the mix or greyhound than collie to handle teeth , or drop of pit in the mix.And if you could get well bred gsd, they deff put guts in any running dog line

[trenchfoot 4,243]

If you have 1/2 cross and 3/4 cross, work both alongside each other and see what works best for you. As a lack of new blood is an issue, cross the 1/2x with the 3/4 and be prepared to cull hard. All the best collie x dogs I've known have been closely bred and well tested

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

Talking to few old boys who only keep collie x greyhounds, sometimes the half x is lacking for faster quarry but do ok on them. Most use the 3/4 grey for things abit quicker or generation bred like Fuji said.

[Wales1234 5,548]

My Hancock bitch was more or less half cross and one thing she didn't lack was pace !