Do You Support Junior Doctors Strike

[neil82 1,080]

Pay them what they want without them were nothing.

and? there are a vast number of people doing jobs for far less money and security that are just as essential to modern living, stop treating them like gods, they no longer deserve that title and have not for a long time

[WILF 46,870]

Let's have it right, God forbid anyone ever has to run into A&E with their child in their arms, you will be begging these dudes to save them.........that's about as important as it gets in life !

They would be earning twice as much if the framework was different and more towards private health plans rather than a nationalised industry where professional people get shit wages in a shit organisation.

[mackay 3,364]

Until we drop the attitude the nhs is an untouchable free for all national treasure it's going to steadily go down the pan.

I've a great respect for doctors and nurses, the hard working kind with good ethics, but many are second rate hiding away in the system knowing no matter what they do to fcuk up they're pretty much untouchable.

I'd hazard a guess part of the problem also is Johnny foreigners access to the service also, perhaps if the left wing labour and liberal tree huggers accepted and addressed this then there's a good chance junior doctors could get a better deal all round.

The clue is in the title, national health service.

It wasn't created or designed to treat every waif and stray who steps off a plane.

[kanny 20,611]

 

 

Pay them what they want without them were nothing.

 

and? there are a vast number of people doing jobs for far less money and security that are just as essential to modern living, stop treating them like gods, they no longer deserve that title and have not for a long time

I have to agree... 4 years ago I spent best part of 6months in and out of hospital clocking up over 20 hours of surgery... I have to say that the junior doctors were next to useless but I accept there learning there trade so I feel 23k for the first year plus the best hands on medical education in the world isn't a bad start for anyone I do accept there working far to long but disagree they deserve more money... Just a little fact your more likely to die in hospital in August when the new juniors start than any other month... Fact! Edited April 26, 2016 by kanny

[jacknife 2,005]

 

 

Pay them what they want without them were nothing.

and? there are a vast number of people doing jobs for far less money and security that are just as essential to modern living, stop treating them like gods, they no longer deserve that title and have not for a long time

I hold Doctors and Nurses a hell of a lot higher than any God

 

 

I was quite shocked when I saw the starting wage for a Doctor was £24000.....i fully expected them to be on at least double that

[WILF 46,870]

Can't agree boys, there are birds with big tits and f**k all brains sitting on their arse at receptions for more than £23 grand a year.......these kids have worked their bollocks off for years in school to get to where they are.

 

They deserve much more BUT they also deserve to NOT have a nationalised industry as their main work option.

[kanny 20,611]

Can't agree boys, there are birds with big tits and f**k all brains sitting on their arse at receptions for more than £23 grand a year.......these kids have worked their bollocks off for years in school to get to where they are.

They deserve much more BUT they also deserve to NOT have a nationalised industry as their main work option.

They will get there dollar once they have learnt there trade. You can only learn so much from books the real skills are developed doing the actual job you are studying.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Can't agree boys, there are birds with big tits and f**k all brains sitting on their arse at receptions for more than £23 grand a year.......these kids have worked their bollocks off for years in school to get to where they are.

 

They deserve much more BUT they also deserve to NOT have a nationalised industry as their main work option.

 

I think they deserve whatever they are worth to be perfectly honest irrespective of how hard they have worked for it. If we need more doctors then their worth goes up etc. If everyone wants to be a doctor and is willing to work hard for it then their worth goes down. Even in nationalised industry there are these free market forces on labour. That is until people start deciding what folks deserve based on how noble their profession is rather than how valuable they are.

 

Also, what's the progression like? What's the drop out rate like? All these things need to be taken into account before making a judgement based simply on their starting salary imo.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Born Hunter

[jacknife 2,005]

At £23000 a year for the hours they put in they would probably be better off working for minimum wage in KFC or Tesco

 

I wonder how many pen pushers there are working within the NHS earning more than the doctors and Nurses

[Born Hunter 17,763]

At £23000 a year for the hours they put in they would probably be better off working for minimum wage in KFC or Tesco

 

I wonder how many pen pushers there are working within the NHS earning more than the doctors and Nurses

 

But so what? Why do they deserve more than any of those other examples? Because the profession they are training for is considered more noble? Reality is that generally speaking a persons worth is dictated by their value as a resource. If we have a shortage of doctors and it is deemed to be as a result of too low a starting salary then suddenly that resource becomes more valuable and their worth increases.

 

A man/woman serving fried chicken may well earn more, if they do it suggests they are of greater value to society than a starting junior doctor. That's just a reality of nature and human society. We would all like for professions to be valued based on their respectability/moral virtue but that's not realistic or a workable model.

 

I've often heard left leaning scientists claim that they are far more deserving of high salaries than celebs, sports stars etc because their contribution to society is of greater moral value............ but says who? Fact is human society doesn't value scientists more than Premier League footballers and trying to re-balance the system to one that is based on moral virtue is in direct contradiction to what humans as a society actually value.

 

All that aside, what's these Junior doctors progression like? What will they likely be on in 2, 5, 10 years? What is the drop out rate like and is that a result of the 24k starting salary? If there's a huge drop out rate and it's nothing to do with pay then I fail to see why they deserve more? Especially if in 10 years they're pulling perhaps +? There's more questions to ask than "what's their starting salary" imo.......

[stevo79 569]

 

 

 

Pay them what they want without them were nothing.

 

and? there are a vast number of people doing jobs for far less money and security that are just as essential to modern living, stop treating them like gods, they no longer deserve that title and have not for a long time

I have to agree... 4 years ago I spent best part of 6months in and out of hospital clocking up over 20 hours of surgery... I have to say that the junior doctors were next to useless but I accept there learning there trade so I feel 23k for the first year plus the best hands on medical education in the world isn't a bad start for anyone I do accept there working far to long but disagree they deserve more money... Just a little fact your more likely to die in hospital in August when the new juniors start than any other month... Fact!

What a load of bullshit! My daughter was born 5 weeks early 7 weeks ago and the got very poorly. They were spot on in every department. Thank god she pulled through. I couldn't praise them enough. Get real you lot.

[bracken boy 584]

Moment you pay them what they want then when what happens next time? We want more , by the way I love the job they do, never had a problem In these troubled times...

Edited April 26, 2016 by bracken boy

[kanny 20,611]

The £23.600 is there first year salary it goes up substantially year after year with experience and potential for them to earn crazy money if they get to the top of there profession unlike a receptionist or KFC worker who will be pretty much on the same wage for life so I don't see the comparison..there's big money waiting for doctors once they have learnt there trade and proven there abilities... No other trade takes on a green back and pays them top dollar so why should doctors be any different.

[jacknife 2,005]

For me it has nothing to do with it being a noble or respectable profession.....i just see the job of a Doctor being worth more than the starting salary

 

I take into account the years of studies they must do before they even start

 

I know I wouldn't put in the hours and have peoples lives in my hands for that type of money

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

For me it has nothing to do with it being a noble or respectable profession.....i just see the job of a Doctor being worth more than the starting salary

 

I take into account the years of studies they must do before they even start

 

I know I wouldn't put in the hours and have peoples lives in my hands for that type of money

Good post.

 

£24k is a joke. Regardless of what they may progress to in later years. They have got bills to pay now, not to mention what their student loans must be like.