Anthony Joshua V Dominic Breazeale

[DogFox123 1,379]

Can't think of one punch tyson showed weakness in jab included. He used his jab but we'll but it was to set up bigger punches and work hisbwaybinsode wouldn't say it was the key to his game

Of course it was, post Rooney he completely forgot about the jab and went out looking for one big shot. His jab set everything else up, without it he dipped quickly.

[gnasher16 30,121]

Can't think of one punch tyson showed weakness in jab included. He used his jab but we'll but it was to set up bigger punches and work hisbwaybinsode wouldn't say it was the key to his game

I agree it was a decent range setter to create openings........but it wasnt a point scorer.......he just wasnt the type of fighter who came out to win the rounds.

[gnasher16 30,121]

Dogfox i think you are missing what im trying to say mate......not every jab a fighter throws has the same intention i never saw Tyson use the jab to stay on the outside he wanted to close distance not create it.......i,ll leave it there as its only my opinion.

[keepdiggin 9,561]

tyson was something else to a person like me who knew nothing about boxing

[DogFox123 1,379]

Dogfox i think you are missing what im trying to say mate......not every jab a fighter throws has the same intention i never saw Tyson use the jab to stay on the outside he wanted to close distance not create it.......i,ll leave it there as its only my opinion.

What is the debate anyway? Hahaha. Of course it was a weapon to close distance and create openings, but everybody saw what happened when he neglected it. It was vital to his game IMO.

[nans pat 2,575]

see hughie on lol...ffs yer man he was dancing about with fought a,j,s next opponent..the boxings in a bad state at the minute.

[stevo79 569]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think haye raw power would ko most heavy weights that are about today

 

Its like trying to fire a gun with no hands....the power to finish someone is right there at the trigger......its just setting up properly to pull it thats the hard part.

Tyson didn't do too bad fighting much bigger opponents, just that Haye isn't skilled enough.

 

It's all good and well Haye saying this and that, the last time he fought a heavyweight with real power he ran for his life. What makes people think he would go out there and try and blast out a powerhouse in Joshua?

i dont think he beat AJ, being honest as AJ take him out mid way in the fight, and Fury not big puncher so if he did ever fight him he only win haye on points , the point i was making Haye his taller and same weight as iron mike, and size didnt stop him beating other heavyweights, any man 15 st can knock out men 15-20st easy its speed. and being accurate does the damage. i done bit boxing and karate/ weights for 3 years, and sparred with blokes 3-4 st heavier than me, and ive rocked them many a time with my punches and only being 12 st 7lb , i could get my shots in quick than move out, ok if they catch yeh its good night lol. but the look on some of there faces said it all for me. a good ko puncher not just about being big , ok it helps, but technique

Of course if you're good enough you're big enough. Evander Holyfield was smaller than David Haye and was one of the best heavyweights of all time.

Excactly and Holyfield in his prime smashes this whole heavyweight division

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think haye raw power would ko most heavy weights that are about today

 

Its like trying to fire a gun with no hands....the power to finish someone is right there at the trigger......its just setting up properly to pull it thats the hard part.

Tyson didn't do too bad fighting much bigger opponents, just that Haye isn't skilled enough.

 

It's all good and well Haye saying this and that, the last time he fought a heavyweight with real power he ran for his life. What makes people think he would go out there and try and blast out a powerhouse in Joshua?

i dont think he beat AJ, being honest as AJ take him out mid way in the fight, and Fury not big puncher so if he did ever fight him he only win haye on points , the point i was making Haye his taller and same weight as iron mike, and size didnt stop him beating other heavyweights, any man 15 st can knock out men 15-20st easy its speed. and being accurate does the damage. i done bit boxing and karate/ weights for 3 years, and sparred with blokes 3-4 st heavier than me, and ive rocked them many a time with my punches and only being 12 st 7lb , i could get my shots in quick than move out, ok if they catch yeh its good night lol. but the look on some of there faces said it all for me. a good ko puncher not just about being big , ok it helps, but technique

Of course if you're good enough you're big enough. Evander Holyfield was smaller than David Haye and was one of the best heavyweights of all time.

Excactly and Holyfield in his prime smashes this whole heavyweight division

Agree.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Dogfox i think you are missing what im trying to say mate......not every jab a fighter throws has the same intention i never saw Tyson use the jab to stay on the outside he wanted to close distance not create it.......i,ll leave it there as its only my opinion.

What is the debate anyway? Hahaha. Of course it was a weapon to close distance and create openings, but everybody saw what happened when he neglected it. It was vital to his game IMO.

 

I,ll have one last try for you to say Tyson had a great jab he would of had to out jab other good jabbers.....and he never......Douglas beat him up with the jab alone....even Tucker before that some folk believe he should of got the decision because of the jab.......Tyson would of had a good jab in the light heavyweight division,guys of his size.....but he could never of won a fight with his jab he was a slugger......Lennox without a jab is nothing,Fury probably the same......Tyson without a jab is still a hell of a slugger........it wasnt his jab he neglected as much as his head movement....,in his early career his head movement was phenomenal it compensated for his little tiny reach and lack of a consistent jab.

Edited May 1, 2016 by gnasher16

[bird 9,926]

 

 

Dogfox i think you are missing what im trying to say mate......not every jab a fighter throws has the same intention i never saw Tyson use the jab to stay on the outside he wanted to close distance not create it.......i,ll leave it there as its only my opinion.

What is the debate anyway? Hahaha. Of course it was a weapon to close distance and create openings, but everybody saw what happened when he neglected it. It was vital to his game IMO.

 

I,ll have one last try for you to say Tyson had a great jab he would of had to out jab other good jabbers.....and he never......Douglas beat him up with the jab alone....even Tucker before that some folk believe he should of got the decision because of the jab.......Tyson would of had a good jab in the light heavyweight division,guys of his size.....but he could never of won a fight with his jab he was a slugger......Lennox without a jab is nothing,Fury probably the same......Tyson without a jab is still a hell of a slugger........it wasnt his jab he neglected as much as his head movement....,in his early career his head movement was phenomenal it compensated for his little tiny reach and lack of a consistent jab.

 

yeh watched the vid of him in his early fights , his head movement was good back the, i think as progressed in his career , he went for just quick ko's , and the rest is history as they say.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

see hughie on lol...ffs yer man he was dancing about with fought a,j,s next opponent..the boxings in a bad state at the minute.

What was going on with Hughie in his corner?...sounded like a sulky kid being gee'd up by his dad...but not a bad night of boxing that...local lads the Walsh brothers done the business as usual!...fight of the night was Nelson-v-Conlan...cracking tear up that was

[nans pat 2,575]

 

see hughie on lol...ffs yer man he was dancing about with fought a,j,s next opponent..the boxings in a bad state at the minute.

What was going on with Hughie in his corner?...sounded like a sulky kid being gee'd up by his dad...but not a bad night of boxing that...local lads the Walsh brothers done the business as usual!...fight of the night was Nelson-v-Conlan...cracking tear up that was

 

aye was a good wee bill,apart from hughie,lol...nelson v conlan should be a rematch imo,that walsh boxed well too.

[TUFFTY 1,476]

All this about hugie being the bees knees and that.

In a nutshell hes shite,end of

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Dogfox i think you are missing what im trying to say mate......not every jab a fighter throws has the same intention i never saw Tyson use the jab to stay on the outside he wanted to close distance not create it.......i,ll leave it there as its only my opinion.

What is the debate anyway? Hahaha. Of course it was a weapon to close distance and create openings, but everybody saw what happened when he neglected it. It was vital to his game IMO.

I,ll have one last try for you to say Tyson had a great jab he would of had to out jab other good jabbers.....and he never......Douglas beat him up with the jab alone....even Tucker before that some folk believe he should of got the decision because of the jab.......Tyson would of had a good jab in the light heavyweight division,guys of his size.....but he could never of won a fight with his jab he was a slugger......Lennox without a jab is nothing,Fury probably the same......Tyson without a jab is still a hell of a slugger........it wasnt his jab he neglected as much as his head movement....,in his early career his head movement was phenomenal it compensated for his little tiny reach and lack of a consistent jab.

Of course he did, hell he was out jabbing Larry Holmes and Pinklon Thomas, two fighters with great jabs.

 

I don't know where you got that from? Tyson won every round against Tucker I believe. Tyson was far from a slugger imo, he did all his best work at mid range, his inside game wasn't brilliant as he was lazy and would let people hold him inside the clinch. Yes he neglected head movement post Rooney, but what pisses me off about Tyson is all the excuses. All fighters have problems inside and outside the ring, the fanatics can't accept he was beaten by the better man in Douglas.

[dytkos 17,800]

All this about hugie being the bees knees and that.

In a nutshell hes shite,end of

I've never thought anything different tbh.

 

Cheers, D.