Whippet Bull First Cross?

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

Thing is everythings a struggle for them, and they need all the odds stacked in there favour when trying to preform a normal Lurchers task,, and you will almost always have to step in and end matters when foxes are unlucky enough to be caught by these little dogs,, and if it did manage to do the job it's self, it will probably be in a sorry state and the chances are it wouldn't get near another that same day/night,, so it say a lot for the lads that try and compare them with proper Single handed Lurchers..

I saw a bull whippet pre ban that would kill a fox as good as any lurcher and didn't get a mark on it. Something tells me this wasn't a one off. But I could be wrong.

I bred a litter of first crosses at exactly the same time as the first litter of pocket rockets were produced.The birch I bred them from was a well worked bulldog down from some of the most competitive lines in the UK over the last 20yrs and the dog was a half brother to the dog that JP was using to produce his pups he was a big strong 22 1/2 inch whippet with plenty of fire about him.None of the pups were fast enough to be really successful at anything if they did catch anything it would be more because everything was stacked in their favour and if they did catch a fox they had the guts for it but like Tallywacker said it was a messy affair and if left to finish the job it would have been cruel to expect them to do another one the same day.I also know a few lads very well that have been around JP'S dogs as well as seeing a couple down from his dogs and none of them faired any better.

What sort of size did they end up out of interest?

20-22inches and 38-42lb but when you compared them to a 23inch 55lb bull greyhound they looked tiny and we're a lot shorter coupled.

I see what you're saying by my old bitch was only 24" and 44lb with only a splash of bull (maybe) and she never struggled with fox when we went to Ireland and certainly didn't get herself in a sorry state.

 

I think the lads above who said its down to the individual dog are spot on. If the dog has the want to do it and develops the knack then breeding or size or lack of bull blood isn't gonna stop it.

[downsouth 7,428]

None of them had a lack of want they just didn't have the tools to do the job the way their brain was telling them to do it.If a dog in the low 40s weight range is going to tackle fox regular it will have to do it with a bit of self preservation in mind because it's not going to be able to bully or manhandle a fox like a bigger dog will.

[Tallywacker 262]

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is everythings a struggle for them, and they need all the odds stacked in there favour when trying to preform a normal Lurchers task,, and you will almost always have to step in and end matters when foxes are unlucky enough to be caught by these little dogs,, and if it did manage to do the job it's self, it will probably be in a sorry state and the chances are it wouldn't get near another that same day/night,, so it say a lot for the lads that try and compare them with proper Single handed Lurchers..

I saw a bull whippet pre ban that would kill a fox as good as any lurcher and didn't get a mark on it. Something tells me this wasn't a one off. But I could be wrong.

I bred a litter of first crosses at exactly the same time as the first litter of pocket rockets were produced.The birch I bred them from was a well worked bulldog down from some of the most competitive lines in the UK over the last 20yrs and the dog was a half brother to the dog that JP was using to produce his pups he was a big strong 22 1/2 inch whippet with plenty of fire about him.None of the pups were fast enough to be really successful at anything if they did catch anything it would be more because everything was stacked in their favour and if they did catch a fox they had the guts for it but like Tallywacker said it was a messy affair and if left to finish the job it would have been cruel to expect them to do another one the same day.I also know a few lads very well that have been around JP'S dogs as well as seeing a couple down from his dogs and none of them faired any better.

What sort of size did they end up out of interest?

20-22inches and 38-42lb but when you compared them to a 23inch 55lb bull greyhound they looked tiny and we're a lot shorter coupled.

I see what you're saying by my old bitch was only 24" and 44lb with only a splash of bull (maybe) and she never struggled with fox when we went to Ireland and certainly didn't get herself in a sorry state.

 

I think the lads above who said its down to the individual dog are spot on. If the dog has the want to do it and develops the knack then breeding or size or lack of bull blood isn't gonna stop it.

24" with a splash of bull is hardly a genuine halfx bull/whip which is what this thread is about, so there's no comparison...

[burnie69 376]

I seen them go to. I don't rate them .Nighttime and daytime. If my bullx's performed like that I'd have empty kennels. I expect my to run through walls to try and catch not stop at trees as soon as it enters cover. There interested as soon as you break through but most collie greyhounds would be. Times of having a lurcher at a dig with you in my eyes have finished. But everyone has there own opinion. Maybe I've seen below average I don't know but everyone have different standards. All I know they weren't good enough for me to kennel one.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is everythings a struggle for them, and they need all the odds stacked in there favour when trying to preform a normal Lurchers task,, and you will almost always have to step in and end matters when foxes are unlucky enough to be caught by these little dogs,, and if it did manage to do the job it's self, it will probably be in a sorry state and the chances are it wouldn't get near another that same day/night,, so it say a lot for the lads that try and compare them with proper Single handed Lurchers..

I saw a bull whippet pre ban that would kill a fox as good as any lurcher and didn't get a mark on it. Something tells me this wasn't a one off. But I could be wrong.

I bred a litter of first crosses at exactly the same time as the first litter of pocket rockets were produced.The birch I bred them from was a well worked bulldog down from some of the most competitive lines in the UK over the last 20yrs and the dog was a half brother to the dog that JP was using to produce his pups he was a big strong 22 1/2 inch whippet with plenty of fire about him.None of the pups were fast enough to be really successful at anything if they did catch anything it would be more because everything was stacked in their favour and if they did catch a fox they had the guts for it but like Tallywacker said it was a messy affair and if left to finish the job it would have been cruel to expect them to do another one the same day.I also know a few lads very well that have been around JP'S dogs as well as seeing a couple down from his dogs and none of them faired any better.

What sort of size did they end up out of interest?

20-22inches and 38-42lb but when you compared them to a 23inch 55lb bull greyhound they looked tiny and we're a lot shorter coupled.

I see what you're saying by my old bitch was only 24" and 44lb with only a splash of bull (maybe) and she never struggled with fox when we went to Ireland and certainly didn't get herself in a sorry state.

 

I think the lads above who said its down to the individual dog are spot on. If the dog has the want to do it and develops the knack then breeding or size or lack of bull blood isn't gonna stop it.

24" with a splash of bull is hardly a genuine halfx bull/whip which is what this thread is about, so there's no comparison...

You're right, it was not as strong as a genuine half cross bull whip and had a much smaller head.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

So are we saying to regularly tackle fox without sustaining serious injury we need 25" 50lb bull crosses with long backs as a minimum?

 

Just trying to learn a bit here. Never been a fox man or a bull cross man. Just killed a few in Ireland with my little lurcher. But going off what you lads have said maybe she was one in a million.

[Wales1234 5,546]

Iv seen two go and I was impressed were like little fecking rockets ! And had plenty about them ! I would own them definitely one the boys I lamped with has got one now and suits him he lamps loads of smaller fields and is great around the hole !

You don't judge a fishes ability by how it climbs a tree !

[brenner 773]

Iv seen two go and I was impressed were like little fecking rockets ! And had plenty about them ! I would own them definitely one the boys I lamped with has got one now and suits him he lamps loads of smaller fields and is great around the hole !

You don't judge a fishes ability by how it climbs a tree !

[brenner 773]

Lol, well put

['sully' 1,119]

People have this thing in there head that you need a big huge bill cross for a fox , a fox is a small animal , I've seen full whippets kill a fox , in fact I've seen many dogs without even a touch of bull that I would consider ' light ' dogs kill a fox week in week out , we have a pack of teckels and that's what hunts the cover to flush to Lurcher ,I believe it is down to the dog itself if it wants to perform the task.

[Tallywacker 262]

I seen them go to. I don't rate them .Nighttime and daytime. If my bullx's performed like that I'd have empty kennels. I expect my to run through walls to try and catch not stop at trees as soon as it enters cover. There interested as soon as you break through but most collie greyhounds would be. Times of having a lurcher at a dig with you in my eyes have finished. But everyone has there own opinion. Maybe I've seen below average I don't know but everyone have different standards. All I know they weren't good enough for me to kennel one.

would these be the same bull/whips that couldn't catch a muntie in a pheasant pen and a fox that went open field out of a hedgerow earth?

[Tallywacker 262]

People have this thing in there head that you need a big huge bill cross for a fox , a fox is a small animal , I've seen full whippets kill a fox , in fact I've seen many dogs without even a touch of bull that I would consider ' light ' dogs kill a fox week in week out , we have a pack of teckels and that's what hunts the cover to flush to Lurcher ,I believe it is down to the dog itself if it wants to perform the task.

it has nothing to do with big bullxs,, just stating there's no comparison with there catching ability and dispatching with a good Lurcher..

[Wales1234 5,546]

People have this thing in there head that you need a big huge bill cross for a fox , a fox is a small animal , I've seen full whippets kill a fox , in fact I've seen many dogs without even a touch of bull that I would consider ' light ' dogs kill a fox week in week out , we have a pack of teckels and that's what hunts the cover to flush to Lurcher ,I believe it is down to the dog itself if it wants to perform the task.

A lot of people on here bang on about size and weight you don't need a big dog ! Iv got a 23tts bullx bitch her and she's never failed ever had good bags of rabbits it's more to do with how much the dog wants it rather than how big it is

[Wales1234 5,546]

 

People have this thing in there head that you need a big huge bill cross for a fox , a fox is a small animal , I've seen full whippets kill a fox , in fact I've seen many dogs without even a touch of bull that I would consider ' light ' dogs kill a fox week in week out , we have a pack of teckels and that's what hunts the cover to flush to Lurcher ,I believe it is down to the dog itself if it wants to perform the task.

A lot of people on here bang on about size and weight you don't need a big dog ! Iv got a 23tts bullx bitch her and she's never failed ever had good bags of rabbits it's more to do with how much the dog wants it rather than how big it is

[lee 99]

Burnie

You have seen one that was well above average if you have a think ...