Wolf in the wild

[Meerihunter 7]

[inan 841]

How many dogs were on it?

[bigryan1 1]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

I WOULD LOVE TO NO IF A BULL X WOULD TAKE A WOLF WHAT YOU THINK MATE ?

[dogman89 0]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

I WOULD LOVE TO NO IF A BULL X WOULD TAKE A WOLF WHAT YOU THINK MATE ?

 

[dirtwinger 235]

Don't want to sound the n*b head, but all that blood on the wolf, why hasn't it got on the dogs mussel, and if wolves are so hard, why didn't it at least get a couple of bits on the dog and produce blood of its own?

 

Just curious

A grain of doubt? This is good. I have never hunted or had my own Borzoi, but I am trying to find more about them, hunting and especially how it was done and how they hunt now. From the literature and conversations with Russian Borzoi hunters, I know that Borzois, as well as Saluki, should not spill much blood even when they catch and kill hares. Hunting foxes and wolves was supposed to be least blood spilling, if possible, because hunters wanted hides of these animals not damaged by dog's teeth. Borzois, when catching wolf should their best taking a hold on wolf's neck right behind ears. In Russia, they have a special term for this ("po mestu"). Once the Borzoi took a right hold, he would not let it go and hangs on, while other dogs catch up and do the same finishing the wolf rather by strangulating it then by tearing it into pieces. In this particular case, a single Borzoi killed a wolf, perhaps, a young one. If the wolf would have a chance to bite the dog, sure, there would be much of blood spilled. Borzois injured during hunting in old times were often out of commission or killed by wolf. Possible this particular Borzoi will not last long, if he would take off after a mature male wolf.

Vladimir when I caught coyotes here in New Mexico it was very similar. not a lot of blood on the coyote. It is considered a vice in a dog if it pulls and tears at the coyote. Plus a pinned coyote cant bite back, the blood is probably from a knife to the heart.

On another note my grandfather imported borzios into England from Imperial Russia. he said they were very different to the modern Borzio. Indeed they were very agressive and volatile dogs. He said at that time some greyhound was bred into the imp[orted dogs to mellow them out. his dogs were always ready to kill other dogs

 

all the best Dirtwinger

[dirtwinger 235]

Just thought of another thing, I was told of a wolf killed by staghounds in the 70's. It was slipped accidently on a coyote hunt and ran 8 dogs into the ground. When finally brought to bay it killed two staghounds before getting pinned. It was a adult female very skinny weighing 70lb's, just a small female lobo but it almost escaped 12 hardbitten coyote dogs.

Maybe the nouveaux alaunts would do the trick on this quarry. If not at least they make your dick bigger so I've heard.

 

All the best Dirtwinger

[Mickey Finn 3,014]

 

Speaking of wolves. This was taken in Northern Michigan. The collar is actually a radio tracking (telemetry) device used by our DNR.

 

Bull crosses on wolves? I don't know how well that would turnout.

[dirtwinger 235]

Just thought of another thing, I was told of a wolf killed by staghounds in the 70's. It was slipped accidently on a coyote hunt and ran 8 dogs into the ground. When finally brought to bay it killed two staghounds before getting pinned. It was a adult female very skinny weighing 70lb's, just a small female lobo but it almost escaped 12 hardbitten coyote dogs.

Maybe the nouveaux alaunts would do the trick on this quarry. If not at least they make your dick bigger so I've heard.

 

All the best Dirtwinger

its not very sporting running 12 hounds on it and hard dogs dont bay,

 

My apologies brought to bay was the wrong term to use, when the dogs caught up to the wolf and made contact would be better. As to it being sporting this was the seventies and coyote pelts were valuable. The guy who told me about this fed his family and put himself through college hunting coyotes in the seventies. Killing coyotes was the name of the game. Even so 12 dogs would not be normally slipped. In this chase 9 dogs in relays of three were slipped, the first 6 dogs never came close to the wolf and two of the 3rd group quit. the last dog of the 9 caught up and was killed by the wolf, this gave time for the hunters to catch up and slip the last 3 fresh dogs they had. One of those was killed before the remaining two stags pinned the wolf.

This anecdote was not about how sporting the hunt was but about how unbelievably tough wolves are.

 

dirtwinger

[Malt 379]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

I WOULD LOVE TO NO IF A BULL X WOULD TAKE A WOLF WHAT YOU THINK MATE ?

 

I knew that one would come up at some point!

[steviebhoy 0]

Not 100% certain of this but i am sure i heard or read somewhere that a fully grown wolf has 3 times the bite power of a GSD? Now if that is true then i am afraid i would be putting no dog of mine near 1 of the big f###ers!!

[dirtwinger 235]

 

My apologies brought to bay was the wrong term to use, when the dogs caught up to the wolf and made contact would be better. As to it being sporting this was the seventies and coyote pelts were valuable. The guy who told me about this fed his family and put himself through college hunting coyotes in the seventies. Killing coyotes was the name of the game. Even so 12 dogs would not be normally slipped. In this chase 9 dogs in relays of three were slipped, the first 6 dogs never came close to the wolf and two of the 3rd group quit. the last dog of the 9 caught up and was killed by the wolf, this gave time for the hunters to catch up and slip the last 3 fresh dogs they had. One of those was killed before the remaining two stags pinned the wolf.

This anecdote was not about how sporting the hunt was but about how unbelievably tough wolves are.

 

dirtwinger

it sounds to me you need a bit of bull blood in them hounds obviously not hard bitten enough 8 gave up and 2 killed how do you catch up and slip more dogs at least 4 times , does a wolf run in circles an alaunt would be no use to you as it would damage the pelt

The dogs were slipped out of 2 trucks with dog boxes on the back. The dogs that ran out of gas were strung out over several miles and arrived to late to do any good. as to not being hard enough i watched a 8 mth old stag chase a coyote for 2/12 miles and kill it singlehanded, good stags are plenty tough. the point I was trying to make is that a wolf was some next level sh#t compared to a coyote. Everyone is entitled to a opinion but it helps if you have some relevant experience to add weight to your opinion.

Running a fox on a lamp in Scotland doesn't make you a expert on coyote hunting,, i've done both with the same dog plus hares, rabbit and deer.

When your alaunts have can manage that I will take them seriously. Calling your dogs alaunts all you want but your dick wont get any bigger! And your right a alaunt would be no use to me.

 

Dirtwinger

[dogman89 0]

why do some people think a dog needs bull in it to kill something? they aint the only hard dog out there

[Meerihunter 7]

http://vision.rambler.ru/users/stepikz/1/2/

 

Tazi on wolf

 

I think most BullX's would get themselves in a whole lot of trouble on a wolf.

[Paid 935]

How many dogs were on it?

 

 

Looks like 3, but the 1 dog killed both wolves.

 

Still, its film, and film can be set up, and edited ect.

 

does look like the one did it's job though.

[Little Butch 16]

You should keep a couple of Pits or Dogo's for the end of the chase 'Dirtwinger'

Butch