Wolf in the wild

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Oh F*ck! Now ye've done it, Nikey! Once the chavs on here, gagging for the latest accessory in penile extensions hear about the OC, the bloody dam'll burst

 

In any but the most profficient hands, those Dogs can be Man Killers. And, if they have a retard on the end of their lead? He'll do.

 

I've been watching them seep into the states for a couple of years now. Only sort of people holding them just yet are highly experienced PP Dog Trainers.

 

The OC's no silly Presa Canary. And you just watch some silly c*** asking if they'd be any good put over a Greyhound! " Make a nice, strong Dog, mate. "

 

It'll end in tears if they ever hit the back yards of the uk. Mark my words.

[Simoman 110]

It'll end in tears if they ever hit the back yards of the uk. Mark my words.

 

Couldn't agree more ditch, possibly the worst breed on the planet for the morons to got hold of. Spoken to some guys in the states who beleive these dogs are potentially lethal. Forget the hype that surrounds pits, GSD;s, rotties and the mastiff breeds......................These things are not for pet homes.

 

No-one in this country needs that much dog.....

[zap 4]

great read,i wonder how a wolf would fare compared to a big cat they surely would have come face to face at some time ,they are talking about bringing wolves back to scotland i hope it never happens

[Guest warren]

There used to be a guy on this site that imported some Caucasian Ovtchaka's (sp)......they were tremendous beasts. He had a website too so someone might know the url. Very interesting dogs, although cant really see a use for them in the uk.

 

 

I found it......

 

http://www.caucasian-ovtcharka.co.uk/index.html

I know the man well who brought them to this country. He knows what he's doing, I see the dogs on a regular basis and they seem to be very level well manoured biddable dogs. Regards Warren

[nunavut guy 0]

Vladimir-It would be a very special dog indeed that could take our wolf single handed. Truth is, I cant imagine it, aside from a yearling or a cripple. You may already know, but its not commen for stags to take coyote single handed, and our wolf are 4-5x the size. If you ever see a 150lb male wolf in person, you will see they are a whole different beast. I dont know anything about the wolfs in Russia, so maybe they are a smaller version then our Timber wolfs?

Your description of why the dog in the pic may not of had blood on it is correct, IMO. At least with coyotes, the stag that moves in and takes the neck hold, often is unmarked. Its the dogs that spar with the coyote that take the most stick. Once one dog has the head controled the rest will take hold, and stretch the coyote. In order to catch and hold a wolf, you would have to have a whole pack (3-5 stags) of "single handed coyote dogs" and you may still be in for more then you wanted. There is a fella her in Idaho that is working towards the goal of catching our wolf, but I dont know if it will ever become a reality or not.

Airedales were mentioned, but IMO, an Airedale is no match for a good stag, either in the run up or the fight.

Take care.

 

 

Good call, Uphill, I've never hunted them, but have read some about them. I remember reading about wolf hunters in the states, and seen some pics of their dogs, and the stretched hides. The wolf dogs were huge, and they said alot of times they lost most of them when on a big male wolf. I'll have too, look and see if I can find that article again. However there are several different species of wolves, and not all of them are as big as the timber wolf, they have one stuffed in a full mount at Bass Pro Shop, attacking a big ram, and it's legs were as big as my forearms, and I ain't little.

 

 

one of my buds caught a 8 1/2 foot wolf a couple of years ago, if he still has the pelt i'll take pics and post them up

[Malt 379]

Thanks for digging this old thread out, I'd have missed it otherwise!

[Little Butch 16]

Great Thread

I bet my Bull x would take a Wolf Single Handed! :laugh:

 

Butch

[inan 841]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

Interesting post I have zero experience of wolves, but the one pictured looks smaller than the dog is it a youngster.I thought Borzois coursed and held wolves ,running in tandem are even three dogs,I must say I would doubt a borzoi ,or any other dog would be capable of killing a fully grown fit wolf ,but as I say I have no experience to go on.

[heart of wales 19]

Seen a couple of Borzois at a KC Show held by me,asked the owners If they would bring them over to the game fair to do some simulated coursing purely as a demonstration,as I am interested and passionate about keeping all breeds coursing such as deerhounds salukis and greyhounds since the coursing ban,They people looked at me like if I had Two heads,they reckoned if they let them off the leads they would never get them back.

Obviously not all Borzois are like this they looked to be some beast and I would love to see them elnatural

 

Them Cacusiaan dogs from what I have seen of them even highly experienced pp trainers are struggling with them,but they would probably the dogs to fight of a wolf,but not for walking down your local high st

 

Good thread

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

good thread mate

[inan 841]

Most dogs are either afraid or cannot overpower a wolf singly. Normally, dogs do not consider a wolf as a game, because of close kinship between dogs and wolves. To them, wolf is just another, but very strong and dangerous dog. To make a dog hunting wolves takes some twist in the selective breeding to break the barrier. There are a few bold dog breeds, which can go ahead and attack a wild wolf, if given a chance. Perhaps, many terriers wold do it, but they would end as kamikaze. The Borzoi is one wolf hunting breed. I have red old Russian writers about wolf hunting with borzois and learned that Borzois capable of catching and killing a wolf alone are exceptionally rare and, if they do it, it is usually not a mature male wolf, but rather a yearling, a female or a senile, injured or a diseased wolf. Despite all thrill and joy of old - fashioned style of wolf hunting in Russia, their Borzois were used in teams and in a combination with a bunch of good and wolf aggressive scent hounds and, of course, many hunters. With such a backing, no wonder, they killed wolves by the dozens every hunting season. I have a book in Russian "Pershinskaya okhota", by Valtsov. This is about most famous Borzoi kennel of Great Russian Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich. This is a very interesting reading, with about 100 pictures and drawings of the dogs and hunting scenes from the past. One interesting fact: I did not find even one picture, showing a Borzoi with such a fluffy coat like one can see in today's show Borzois. I found this picture in a Russian hunting forum. This is a Borzoi male, which occasionally catches and kills wolves alone. I guess those are not mature male wolves, but this is an accomplishment for a dog. Perhaps, the Taigan would be a better wolf hunting dog, if used alone or in a team of two-three dogs and without all those crowds of hunters and large teams of scent hounds. This particular Borozi did it several times. In Russia, wolves have never been exterminated and they did not need to be reintroduced. Therefore, the wolf hunting with dogs never stopped there. I would like to see a wolf hunting, like this, here, in USA. We do not have wolves in Virginia, only coyotes.

I once saw two sheep guarding dogs in a remote village in Turkey , they must have been 30in at the shoulder ,wooly coated all shoulders and head with lurcher -like hind quarters, they had dew claws on all legs and were pure white, they must have weighed around 90lbs each . A shepherd assured me that together they would tackle a wolf. I beleive their wolf is quite a bit smaller than the Russian or American variety.

Edited March 31, 2009 by inan

[moonlighter 1,164]

why dont we start a thred on dog fighting........ .Surley no one in there right mind would set there own dog on a wolf. it would go on for ages, and how the fook would you step in and dispatch it with out getting bit by the wolf or your dog. have a look on you tube at wolf vs wolverine and then tell me your dog would tackle it.

[Malt 379]

why dont we start a thred on dog fighting........ .Surley no one in there right mind would set there own dog on a wolf. it would go on for ages, and how the fook would you step in and dispatch it with out getting bit by the wolf or your dog. have a look on you tube at wolf vs wolverine and then tell me your dog would tackle it.

No ones talking about setting their dogs on wolves mate, it's just a discussion about working dogs that have been bred to do a necessary job.

[ferreter.al 22]

interesting post

[ferreter.al 22]

interesting post