Wolf in the wild

[lurcherchavvy 3]

i wouldnt mind going wolf hunting with the right dog i bet its a good little sport that dog looks great

[juckler123 707]

Great post Vladimir its always good to see what other sighthound owners are up to wouldnt mind seeing more of the russian dogs especially the borzoi crosses they use on hare very typey dogs them mate

Heres a link to a saluki takling a jakal i believe no doubt folks have seen it before but worth a look at anyway.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx4T4H82Avo

Check out the other vids too some corkers.

Edited December 1, 2007 by juckler123

[Guest Vladimir]

Don't want to sound the n*b head, but all that blood on the wolf, why hasn't it got on the dogs mussel, and if wolves are so hard, why didn't it at least get a couple of bits on the dog and produce blood of its own?

 

Just curious

A grain of doubt? This is good. I have never hunted or had my own Borzoi, but I am trying to find more about them, hunting and especially how it was done and how they hunt now. From the literature and conversations with Russian Borzoi hunters, I know that Borzois, as well as Saluki, should not spill much blood even when they catch and kill hares. Hunting foxes and wolves was supposed to be least blood spilling, if possible, because hunters wanted hides of these animals not damaged by dog's teeth. Borzois, when catching wolf should their best taking a hold on wolf's neck right behind ears. In Russia, they have a special term for this ("po mestu"). Once the Borzoi took a right hold, he would not let it go and hangs on, while other dogs catch up and do the same finishing the wolf rather by strangulating it then by tearing it into pieces. In this particular case, a single Borzoi killed a wolf, perhaps, a young one. If the wolf would have a chance to bite the dog, sure, there would be much of blood spilled. Borzois injured during hunting in old times were often out of commission or killed by wolf. Possible this particular Borzoi will not last long, if he would take off after a mature male wolf.

[Guest Vladimir]

I have heard of packs of Airedales which are used to hunt Coyote in some parts of the USA, would they not be capable? I would imagine it to be a fair old task for any dog to pull a wolf single handed though, whatever the breed.

 

I had a pair of huge Airedale Teriers, the American version for hunting, bigger then standard. Those were coyote killers, indeed. However, they could not run as fast as coyote can to catch it consistently. This is why Staghounds are made for coyotes.

Edited December 1, 2007 by Vladimir

[Guest Vladimir]

Hmmm...Vladimir, I think coyote is covered by a normal VA Hunting License and there is no specific law against catching it with dogs...so if you can find the dogs...there is normal fox hunting going on for sure...

 

L

Lennard, thank you for your comment. Currently, I have three young Saluki from Kazakhstan; they are out of aggressive fox kiling lines. We have coyotes in Virginia and I am aware that in Virginia they are allowed to be hunted a year around. However, I am not sure, if my Saluki would go after a serious quarry, like a coyote? Besides, I need to find wide open fields, where coyotes occur. I am surrounded by mountains and tall forest; fields are small and they are fringed with thorny bushes.

[UphillDoc 278]

Vladimir-It would be a very special dog indeed that could take our wolf single handed. Truth is, I cant imagine it, aside from a yearling or a cripple. You may already know, but its not commen for stags to take coyote single handed, and our wolf are 4-5x the size. If you ever see a 150lb male wolf in person, you will see they are a whole different beast. I dont know anything about the wolfs in Russia, so maybe they are a smaller version then our Timber wolfs?

Your description of why the dog in the pic may not of had blood on it is correct, IMO. At least with coyotes, the stag that moves in and takes the neck hold, often is unmarked. Its the dogs that spar with the coyote that take the most stick. Once one dog has the head controled the rest will take hold, and stretch the coyote. In order to catch and hold a wolf, you would have to have a whole pack (3-5 stags) of "single handed coyote dogs" and you may still be in for more then you wanted. There is a fella her in Idaho that is working towards the goal of catching our wolf, but I dont know if it will ever become a reality or not.

Airedales were mentioned, but IMO, an Airedale is no match for a good stag, either in the run up or the fight.

Take care.

[juckler123 707]

Got to agree about the size difference in the timber wolf they are huge.

I can see some pink round that Borzois neck and the wolf dont look too big id say it had been at it .

 

 

Saluki and jakal not as big as a wolf but the dog done ok

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx4T4H82Avo

Edited December 2, 2007 by juckler123

[Mouser 18]

Vladimir-It would be a very special dog indeed that could take our wolf single handed. Truth is, I cant imagine it, aside from a yearling or a cripple. You may already know, but its not commen for stags to take coyote single handed, and our wolf are 4-5x the size. If you ever see a 150lb male wolf in person, you will see they are a whole different beast. I dont know anything about the wolfs in Russia, so maybe they are a smaller version then our Timber wolfs?

Your description of why the dog in the pic may not of had blood on it is correct, IMO. At least with coyotes, the stag that moves in and takes the neck hold, often is unmarked. Its the dogs that spar with the coyote that take the most stick. Once one dog has the head controled the rest will take hold, and stretch the coyote. In order to catch and hold a wolf, you would have to have a whole pack (3-5 stags) of "single handed coyote dogs" and you may still be in for more then you wanted. There is a fella her in Idaho that is working towards the goal of catching our wolf, but I dont know if it will ever become a reality or not.

Airedales were mentioned, but IMO, an Airedale is no match for a good stag, either in the run up or the fight.

Take care.

 

 

Good call, Uphill, I've never hunted them, but have read some about them. I remember reading about wolf hunters in the states, and seen some pics of their dogs, and the stretched hides. The wolf dogs were huge, and they said alot of times they lost most of them when on a big male wolf. I'll have too, look and see if I can find that article again. However there are several different species of wolves, and not all of them are as big as the timber wolf, they have one stuffed in a full mount at Bass Pro Shop, attacking a big ram, and it's legs were as big as my forearms, and I ain't little.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Another fasinating Thread. But I too would be nodding in agreement with Uphill Doc. Not that I've had any personal experience around Any wolves, of course. But I Did once happen upon a shot of one - North American Timber Wolf - some guy had got, on an American Trappers forum.

 

This Thing was hanging from the apex of his garage. Quite frankly, it changed my perception of wolves from that day on. It Was, simply, f*cking GIGANTIC! Freaked me out!

 

As Mouser indicates; Those f*ckers Are huge, powerfull SOB's. Look at the " Alaskan #9 " trap, which is considered about the only trap worth setting to hold one, without they'll just smash it to bits. If their huge feet ever fit inside anything smaller .....

 

Sorry; I'm not for a moment knocking the creature in the top photo there. Or the Dog that took it. But That wolf simply cannot be accepted as in any way comparable to a full grown North American Timber Wolf. Just no comparison.

 

Anyway, who cares? This Thread isn't about 'My wolves are bigger than Your wolves'. It's cool and I'm sure we're all learning things from it

[juckler123 707]

Once saw a mounted timber wolf head at chatsworth massive is the word that comes to mind

[bowers1986 3]

Interesting thread

[skycat 6,173]

Interesting: I came across this information about the Dire Wolf which was native to North America before it died out during the great extinction. Could be why the gray, or timber wolf is so much larger than wolves from other parts of the world. Just a thought.

http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/larson/canis.html

[Guest Vladimir]

Vladimir-It would be a very special dog indeed that could take our wolf single handed. Truth is, I cant imagine it, aside from a yearling or a cripple. You may already know, but its not commen for stags to take coyote single handed, and our wolf are 4-5x the size. If you ever see a 150lb male wolf in person, you will see they are a whole different beast. I dont know anything about the wolfs in Russia, so maybe they are a smaller version then our Timber wolfs?

Your description of why the dog in the pic may not of had blood on it is correct, IMO. At least with coyotes, the stag that moves in and takes the neck hold, often is unmarked. Its the dogs that spar with the coyote that take the most stick. Once one dog has the head controled the rest will take hold, and stretch the coyote. In order to catch and hold a wolf, you would have to have a whole pack (3-5 stags) of "single handed coyote dogs" and you may still be in for more then you wanted. There is a fella her in Idaho that is working towards the goal of catching our wolf, but I dont know if it will ever become a reality or not.

Airedales were mentioned, but IMO, an Airedale is no match for a good stag, either in the run up or the fight.

Take care.

I do not know, if that Borzoi is still alive. He did it only two or three times. Wolves of central and northern Russia are as big as North American wolves are, record male may be up 70- kg, most are 40-50 kg. Chances of survival even for a big dog figthing a wolf are not more then 50%. Besides, normally, wolves are running in packs. If a wolf pack meets a single dog, the dog is as good as dead. There is another breed, which is supposed to fight wolves and sometimes even killing them. This is a livestock guarding dog of any breed of this kind, occurring in Portugal, Bulgaria, Turkey, Centrl Asia and Mongolia. One expert on this kind of dog from Azerbaijan and Caucasus wrote that outcome of a fight of a Caucasian Montain Dog male with a wolf male is hard to predict, chances of vinning are 50:50. Herdsmen highly honor a dog, whcih has a courage and strength to fight wolves; they even butcher a sheep to feed the victorious dog. They test them since puppy age for courage, endurance and fighting spirit. This is done during holidays, as a ritual, dogfights are organized on purpose. However, those are not dogfights with betting, just tournaments. Dogs do not spill blood and no dogs are killed as a result. The procedure helps to discover the best potential wolf fighters and choice sires. These dogs are not very fast and their purpose is not to catch and kill, but rather to keep wolves at bay. To be efficient, these dogs must have guts and strenght.

[juckler123 707]

Now thats some doggy them Karabash are the same and some of them big afghan shepherd dogs bred for that sole purpose.

The Afghans test their dogs against each other in the manner you describe Vladamir

[clayflint 31]

really good interesting thread this one lads keep it up really enjoying the read. adam