Boxing At The Weekend...

[jukel123 8,011]

14 hours ago, Goly said:

It didn't have to be elegant, it was relentless, Ali admittedly had been three years out of the sport but he still had great legs underneath him in 1971, even the dancing master couldn't keep him off. As you say, impossible to say unless we saw it, but a poor man's Frazier gave him good work in Chisora, Joe's bodywork was relentless and ferocious.

 

 

Watching that trilogy of fights is nerve tingling. The hairs on the back of your head rise. We will never see the like again. They forgot the money and fought for pride and dominance. Nothing but total respect for them. They damn near fought to the death. Both of them required lengthy hospital stays after the fight.

As the yanks say " they put it all on the line".

Edited 13 hours ago by jukel123

[jukel123 8,011]

2 hours ago, NEWKID said:

Some great posts on this one, couple of things I didn't get.. when fury switched to southpaw a few times (as he does) he looked really clumsy/off balance when, his lead right hand is no way near as sharp as leading with his left, I thought Usyks eyes lit up whenever he switched as Fury was wide open and moved awkwardly.. not a good plan against someone like Usyk imo.

I'm still none the wiser to this great boxing technician, amazing ring IQ badge that people put on Fury, when in with a true technician and the fight settled into Usyks rhythm he looked clumsy and lost at times, Usyk never did or does look like that. 

I think Fury fought pretty well in both fights, but Usyk is a level up and there is no one who can get near him in the current lot, it's proven that this hasn't been a great time for Heavies, they are just massive!

Oh and another thing, Frank Warren needs to keep a mic a mile away from Dubois, what a Muppet . He has no menace when throwing threats out and no intellect or humour to offer... He should be protected from making himself look a twat...

 

 

Danny has as much threat and malice as a pantomime dame. He's too nice. If it wasn't for his dad I don't think he would have been interested in the sport. Still, he can bang.

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

15 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

For me thats what would make it such a great fight......" relentless " is the perfect description......again there wasnt anything particularly shrewd or inventive about Fraziers pressure it was just relentless.....to me a fighter would need variation to trouble Usyk or back him into corners im told Usyk spars something like 12 x 4 minute rounds and starts a round again if his back touches the ropes......Frazier will never have seen movement like that even Ali's movement was conventional boxing movement,brilliant yes,fast yes....but it was conventional.........the fact that Frazier was absolutely game to the core and nobody has been able to push Usyk hard enough to find out if he's as game......makes for a fascinating physical and mental battle.

Frazer vs marciano would be a cracking match for that, whod ya fancy to win

[jukel123 8,011]

25 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Frazer vs marciano would be a cracking match for that, whod ya fancy to win

Smokin Joe for me. Hungrier, more determined fighter imo. Human pit bull.

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Smokin Joe for me. Hungrier, more determined fighter imo. Human pit bull.

Marciano for me, look at foreman to frazier, marciano would do the same

[jukel123 8,011]

33 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Marciano for me, look at foreman to frazier, marciano would do the same

Which one wins against Dempsey?

Jack Johnstone?

I'm sure AI could work it out, but then there wouldn't be anything to agree or disagree on.Lol.

[paddyluke 784]

 

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

3 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Which one wins against Dempsey?

Jack Johnstone?

I'm sure AI could work it out, but then there wouldn't be anything to agree or disagree on.Lol.

Jack johnston would go

[Goly 63]

Jess Willard beat an old Jack Johnson and Dempsey beat an old Willard, I think Johnson in his prime may have been able to tie Dempsey up and frustrate him something rotten. There's a cracking documentary on Johnson, he was a character alright.

[paddyluke 784]

i reckon i would beat the shit out of Ali,just a shame he's no longer with us

[jukel123 8,011]

13 minutes ago, Goly said:

Jess Willard beat an old Jack Johnson and Dempsey beat an old Willard, I think Johnson in his prime may have been able to tie Dempsey up and frustrate him something rotten. There's a cracking documentary on Johnson, he was a character alright.

Jack Johnstone was a hero to  both Ali and Mike Tyson. He didn't give a feck about the colour divide , wouldn't accept  the rules and had white girlfriends which upset people. You can hear boundini Brown shouting " Jack Johnstone in the room!" In order to fire Ali up.

It's reckoned he threw the fight to Willard. He was supposed to have been knocked out. But there's a photo of him shielding his eyes from the sun.Lol.

As you say he used to ' tie his opponents up'. Brilliant individual way of boxing.

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Jack Johnstone was a hero to  both Ali and Mike Tyson. He didn't give a feck about the colour divide , wouldn't accept  the rules and had white girlfriends which upset people. You can hear boundini Brown shouting " Jack Johnstone in the room!" In order to fire Ali up.

It's reckoned he threw the fight to Willard. He was supposed to have been knocked out. But there's a photo of him shielding his eyes from the sun.Lol.

As you say he used to ' tie his opponents up'. Brilliant individual way of boxing.

The 1st man to study his oponents, he also helped louis defeat schmelling to win the title back

[jukel123 8,011]

11 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

The 1st man to study his oponents, he also helped louis defeat schmelling to win the title back

I didn't know that. Cheers.