Boxing At The Weekend...

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

50 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

He steeps his head in petrol it's like rock

He'll leave your face looking like a butchers block  

Hahahah wondered how long somebody would take to catch on

[paddyluke 780]

38 minutes ago, Goly said:

There's only one man that could challenge Usyk.

 

Rab C. Nesbitt ??

[gnasher16 30,116]

8 hours ago, mC HULL said:

there’s to much to reply to here gnash ill be all day lol 

 

just answer me one mate what great has  ever been undisputed champ at heavyweight and never put one  to sleep lol ? 

usyk fury  are as close matched  as you will ever get both boxers none left it all in the ring both had loads left both thought they were up not what you want from heavyweight boxing really 

draw round or so either way like first one i had it roll in dubois parker 

Thats just a silly question mate its like asking which undisputed champ knocked every opponent out in the first round Usyk is a chess player he isnt a concussive puncher but fighting much larger men you wouldnt expect him to be.

They are not closely matched at all a man with ridiculous physical advantages has not been able to put a dent in his opponent in 24 rounds of boxing......again,Usyk would beat Fury in exactly the same way if they fought 100 times,that isnt " closely matched "

[gnasher16 30,116]

4 hours ago, Goly said:

I think Frazier is a stylistic nightmare for Usyk, he wouldn't let him breathe, I can't see how Usyk could keep him off.

I disagree,there was nothing elegant about Fraziers pressure it was hard and in your face Frazier could track down runners and suffocate them but Usyks movement isnt traditional boxing movement he doesnt exit exchanges in the conventional ways and he doesnt offensively pressure in conventional ways,the angles he presents would have confused Frazier in the same way they confuse Fury.....always hard comparing generations of course but Frazier/Usyk is a dream fight scenario.

[Blackmag 6,088]

9 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Hopefully they dont push him too fast like they did poor Johnny Fisher that was a terrible fight to take....hardly any amateur experience,no real boxing technique or iq.....green as arseholes......so they stick him in with an experienced tough old journeyman to make him look awful......i remember a time when matchmakers in boxing were worth their weight in gold !

I suppose that could apply to alot of elite prospects theses days wether thats boxing football ect how there managed and brought on from a young age I wonder when you hear of prospects today not for filling there potential how many  have been ill advised or over matched or  have they got the mentality theses days to cope with the pressure that comes with elite sport 

[gnasher16 30,116]

8 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

I suppose that could apply to alot of elite prospects theses days wether thats boxing football ect how there managed and brought on from a young age I wonder when you hear of prospects today not for filling there potential how many  have been ill advised or over matched or  have they got the mentality theses days to cope with the pressure that comes with elite sport 

There was a time when young prospects were protected and carefully handled....brought along facing all types of opponents who were good enough to push the prospect so that he learned but not dangerous enough to knock them back physically or mentally....again,matchmakers had great value Dean Powell god rest his soul was a brilliant matchmaker who shaped the careers of many young London fighters but they just dont exist today......a big ticket seller like young Johnny Fisher is thrown in on big shows when he should be learning his trade on small hall shows.....the game has changed mate and not for the better in many ways.

[Goly 54]

21 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I disagree,there was nothing elegant about Fraziers pressure it was hard and in your face Frazier could track down runners and suffocate them but Usyks movement isnt traditional boxing movement he doesnt exit exchanges in the conventional ways and he doesnt offensively pressure in conventional ways,the angles he presents would have confused Frazier in the same way they confuse Fury.....always hard comparing generations of course but Frazier/Usyk is a dream fight scenario.

It didn't have to be elegant, it was relentless, Ali admittedly had been three years out of the sport but he still had great legs underneath him in 1971, even the dancing master couldn't keep him off. As you say, impossible to say unless we saw it, but a poor man's Frazier gave him good work in Chisora, Joe's bodywork was relentless and ferocious.

 

 

[Blackmag 6,088]

5 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

There was a time when young prospects were protected and carefully handled....brought along facing all types of opponents who were good enough to push the prospect so that he learned but not dangerous enough to knock them back physically or mentally....again,matchmakers had great value Dean Powell god rest his soul was a brilliant matchmaker who shaped the careers of many young London fighters but they just dont exist today......a big ticket seller like young Johnny Fisher is thrown in on big shows when he should be learning his trade on small hall shows.....the game has changed mate and not for the better in many ways.

I only give a outside view to be honest as a fan because thats all i am as I don't have any real ring experience as many dont who post but like you say its about instant money now and not career prospects shame really 

[gnasher16 30,116]

7 minutes ago, Goly said:

It didn't have to be elegant, it was relentless, Ali admittedly had been three years out of the sport but he still had great legs underneath him in 1971, even the dancing master couldn't keep him off. As you say, impossible to say unless we saw it, but a poor man's Frazier gave him good work in Chisora, Joe's bodywork was relentless and ferocious.

 

 

For me thats what would make it such a great fight......" relentless " is the perfect description......again there wasnt anything particularly shrewd or inventive about Fraziers pressure it was just relentless.....to me a fighter would need variation to trouble Usyk or back him into corners im told Usyk spars something like 12 x 4 minute rounds and starts a round again if his back touches the ropes......Frazier will never have seen movement like that even Ali's movement was conventional boxing movement,brilliant yes,fast yes....but it was conventional.........the fact that Frazier was absolutely game to the core and nobody has been able to push Usyk hard enough to find out if he's as game......makes for a fascinating physical and mental battle.

[Goly 54]

Just now, gnasher16 said:

For me thats what would make it such a great fight......" relentless " is the perfect description......again there wasnt anything particularly shrewd or inventive about Fraziers pressure it was just relentless.....to me a fighter would need variation to trouble Usyk or back him into corners im told Usyk spars something like 12 x 4 minute rounds and starts a round again if his back touches the ropes......Frazier will never have seen movement like that even Ali's movement was conventional boxing movement,brilliant yes,fast yes....but it was conventional.........the fact that Frazier was absolutely game to the core and nobody has been able to push Usyk hard enough to find out if he's as game......makes for a fascinating physical and mental battle.

I've just read that, but apparently it's 15 x 4. What has impressed me these last two bouts against Fury is Usyk's punch resistance, Fury is by no means a pure knockout artist but in these past few years he's arguably been hitting the hardest he's ever hit under the tutelage of Sugar Hill. His knockout over Whyte was impressive, Usyk looked unfazed on Saturday to the body & head. He has certainly done great things at HW, AJ & Fury twice and Dubois on the resume, what more does he have to prove, he's a bona fida ATG.

[jukel123 8,009]

Heavyweight boxing fans have been conned watching  Fury, Chishora Whyte, Joshua etc. They've paid over the odds to watch journeymen.

Usyk has been an education, a breath of fresh air. A real treat to watch. He's cleaned up the division. I hope he retires with his legacy intact.

[tatsblisters 9,651]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Heavyweight boxing fans have been conned watching  Fury, Chishora Whyte, Joshua etc. They've paid over the odds to watch journeymen.

Usyk has been an education, a breath of fresh air. A real treat to watch. He's cleaned up the division. I hope he retires with his legacy intact.

Usyk is definitely a class act in his boxing skills and a human being. I would rather he retired as he has nothing to prove in boxing. 

[steve66 3,449]

Heard Usyk say he wanted the cruiser weight belt , but surely thats afair bit of weight for him to drop ?

[NEWKID 27,150]

Some great posts on this one, couple of things I didn't get.. when fury switched to southpaw a few times (as he does) he looked really clumsy/off balance when, his lead right hand is no way near as sharp as leading with his left, I thought Usyks eyes lit up whenever he switched as Fury was wide open and moved awkwardly.. not a good plan against someone like Usyk imo.

I'm still none the wiser to this great boxing technician, amazing ring IQ badge that people put on Fury, when in with a true technician and the fight settled into Usyks rhythm he looked clumsy and lost at times, Usyk never did or does look like that. 

I think Fury fought pretty well in both fights, but Usyk is a level up and there is no one who can get near him in the current lot, it's proven that this hasn't been a great time for Heavies, they are just massive!

Oh and another thing, Frank Warren needs to keep a mic a mile away from Dubois, what a Muppet . He has no menace when throwing threats out and no intellect or humour to offer... He should be protected from making himself look a twat...

 

 

[bird 9,876]

3 hours ago, steve66 said:

Heard Usyk say he wanted the cruiser weight belt , but surely thats afair bit of weight for him to drop ?

That's it mate, I said about uysk  that if he a natural  cruiser 14st 4lb just over 200lb. And fought at 16st 2lb   , and   15st 12lb against  fury.and fought  at these weights  in his heavyweight  scraps.and been, fast, agile,great stamina, and enough power to drop most heavyweights  like did fury 1st fight. Is he natural  heavyweight,   or cruiser.  I think  he natural at 6ft 3in 16st  ,. Wonder what Gnash thinks?