Boxing At The Weekend...

[jukel123 8,820]

1 hour ago, keepdiggin said:

“Street hard scouser” lol

I think background and attitude matter a lot in the sport. You don't get rich kids in boxing. Certain areas like the North West, Scotland , Northern Ireland, the North East and London produce more than  their fair share of hungry fighters. In the ring  McGrail fights with venom and determination. His background gives him that. He's like Mchull on here. He never knows when he's beaten.

Edited October 24, 2023 by jukel123

[gnasher16 30,535]

On 15/10/2023 at 08:34, jukel123 said:

The Fury clan have not been good for british boxing. The same goes for the current  British heavyweights.  Dubois and AJ are poor representatives of our sport. They just don't seem genuine articles to me. They don't seem to to take the advice to 'never leave anything in the ring'. They seem to lack heart and guts.

 I would rather endure an hour in church than watch Tommy Fury. It's insulting to proper boxers to spend time and money watching the likes of him.

But there's plenty of genuine lads out there in the smaller divisions who are worth supporting.

The sooner the Furys f**k off the better. They are embarrassing.

Totally agree with all of that,for me the heavyweight division is in the state its in because of the obvious......there are no size limits !!.....people are realising that above a certain size you can get away with not being very good.....Fury/Wilder/Joshua none of them would win an area title if they were middleweights but as heavyweights they just need to get themself in good shape and they're halfway there.

The whole Fury thing is just cringeworthy and embarrassing ok the big lad tries hard and has done well for himself and seems a nice enough chap so good luck to him.....but the desperate for attention father making a c**t of himself,the pretty boy one earning good dough fighting non fighters and the spotty one i forget his name does he even box anymore....all just makes a mockery of the sport to talented young lads coming into the game.

I said when that Mayweather v Mcgregor thing was first being talked about that if this comes off it will be the beginning of the end for professional boxing and i think thats being proved right........boxing is being prostituted out and abused from what was once a respectable competitive sport and its horrible to see.

Edited October 24, 2023 by gnasher16

[jukel123 8,820]

Well said.

[Greyman 29,250]

27 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Totally agree with all of that,for me the heavyweight division is in the state its in because of the obvious......there are no size limits !!.....people are realising that above a certain size you can get away with not being very good.....Fury/Wilder/Joshua none of them would win an area title if they were middleweights but as heavyweights they just need to get themself in good shape and they're halfway there.

The whole Fury thing is just cringeworthy and embarrassing ok the big lad tries hard and has done well for himself and seems a nice enough chap so good luck to him.....but the desperate for attention father making a c**t of himself,the pretty boy one earning good dough fighting non fighters and the spotty one i forget his name does he even box anymore....all just makes a mockery of the sport to talented young lads coming into the game.

I said when that Mayweather v Mcgregor thing was first being talked about that if this comes off it will be the beginning of the end for professional boxing and i think thats being proved right........boxing is being prostituted out and abused from what was once a respectable competitive sport and its horrible to see.

The only big fight coming up I,m looking forward to is when Mc Hull goes to the Gaza to KO Hamass in there own back yard after walking all the way there apart from that I,m more drawn to the smaller divisions now were hunger and pride still seem to have a place, 

[gnasher16 30,535]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

The only big fight coming up I,m looking forward to is when Mc Hull goes to the Gaza to KO Hamass in there own back yard after walking all the way there apart from that I,m more drawn to the smaller divisions now were hunger and pride still seem to have a place, 

Besides all the silly youtube fights for me its only the heavyweight division thats letting boxing down at the moment,the cruiserweight and light heavyweight divisions are both on fire theres some brilliant fights at light heavyweight to be made both domestic and worldwide with some strong champions......but typically the most competitive fights dont seem to matter anymore as the Joshua Buatsi/Dan Azeez fight showed last week.....that was potentially a brilliant domestic fight between 2 world ranked unbeaten lads putting everything on the line,no malice or silly threats just an honest straight forward tear up.......yet it got pulled because it wasnt selling tickets !! ( my opinion only )......doesnt that tell you where the sport is at !

[shaaark 10,933]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

The only big fight coming up I,m looking forward to is when Mc Hull goes to the Gaza to KO Hamass in there own back yard after walking all the way there apart from that I,m more drawn to the smaller divisions now were hunger and pride still seem to have a place, 

He'll be walking all the way there, with a head full of jinns, to the land of the jinns, whilst wrangling, single handedly, the odd XL bully along the way, just to keep him on his toes and make sure he stays match fit when he gets there. 

[bird 10,004]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

The only big fight coming up I,m looking forward to is when Mc Hull goes to the Gaza to KO Hamass in there own back yard after walking all the way there apart from that I,m more drawn to the smaller divisions now were hunger and pride still seem to have a place, 

ok Gnash  , what are we going for in the Fury v  Usyk   fight in dec 28 if it still comes of, if beats this none boxer this Saturday lol.  i know  Fury be  4 st heavier ,  6 in taller , and lot sat to big usyk to deal with ok prob true. but i really think it be fury hardest fight of his carrier  . ok he can lean and pop him off with his long jab, drain him with the all weight on usyk, be deff no fool, and got to get in close  and thats when furry deff could come unstuck , i really hope it comes off , they both signed on the line to fight .  so they you go mate,what do you think.

[mC HULL 13,871]

i think your all smoking something myself lol 

this last 8 year has been descent for

british heavyweight boxing better then ever really 

plenty a good uns 

i agree with bird aj dubious won’t leave it all in the ring 

[Lenmcharristar 9,924]

2 hours ago, bird said:

ok Gnash  , what are we going for in the Fury v  Usyk   fight in dec 28 if it still comes of, if beats this none boxer this Saturday lol.  i know  Fury be  4 st heavier ,  6 in taller , and lot sat to big usyk to deal with ok prob true. but i really think it be fury hardest fight of his carrier  . ok he can lean and pop him off with his long jab, drain him with the all weight on usyk, be deff no fool, and got to get in close  and thats when furry deff could come unstuck , i really hope it comes off , they both signed on the line to fight .  so they you go mate,what do you think.

Fury is too much for usyk, lets be honest dubois had him done but quit in a huff after a wrong decision, fury will crack the ribs off him before stopping him, AJ didnt really look too hurt against him and i rekon wilder would ko him as he only needs the 1 punch, AJ just been watching too many pumping iron videos or when steroids ruled the world for he just thinks muscle wins, when it clearly doesnt

[jukel123 8,820]

6 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Fury is too much for usyk, lets be honest dubois had him done but quit in a huff after a wrong decision, fury will crack the ribs off him before stopping him, AJ didnt really look too hurt against him and i rekon wilder would ko him as he only needs the 1 punch, AJ just been watching too many pumping iron videos or when steroids ruled the world for he just thinks muscle wins, when it clearly doesnt

Dubois ran out of self belief. He wasn't that hurt, but he was grateful the ref called it off. A true fighter would rather  be carried out rather than quit. But imo Dubois quit. He quit when  he had an eye fracture against Joyce and I thought that was sensible, but I know others thought it was unacceptable. 

Joshua also quit against Ruiz imo. Aj is great at beating up lesser opposition  but he doesn't like it when he gets a punch in the mouth. You can see the fear in his eyes. Both are not the real deal. Overpaid and overated.

Edited October 24, 2023 by jukel123

[Lenmcharristar 9,924]

23 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Dubois ran out of self belief. He wasn't that hurt, but he was grateful the ref called it off. A true fighter would rather  be carried out rather than quit. But imo Dubois quit. He quit when  he had an eye fracture against Joyce and I thought that was sensible, but I know others thought it was unacceptable. 

Joshua also quit against Ruiz imo. Aj is great at beating up lesser opposition  but he doesn't like it when he gets a punch in the mouth. You can see the fear in his eyes. Both are not the real deal. Overpaid and overated.

AJ has went full audrey harrison since ruiz hurt him, hes just lost his edge, wonder if he can get it back?

[keepdiggin 9,561]

23 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I think background and attitude matter a lot in the sport. You don't get rich kids in boxing. Certain areas like the North West, Scotland , Northern Ireland, the North East and London produce more than  their fair share of hungry fighters. In the ring  McGrail fights with venom and determination. His background gives him that. He's like Mchull on here. He never knows when he's beaten.

Conor benn was a rich kid Chris Eubank jr was a rich hid. 

 

South Yorkshire has done well producing talent 

[jukel123 8,820]

1 hour ago, keepdiggin said:

Conor benn was a rich kid Chris Eubank jr was a rich hid. 

 

South Yorkshire has done well producing talent 

Sorry, yeah, you're right mate. I'd forgotten those two great world champions. Brilliant examples mate. They are not just gym rats with sculpted bodies. They are the real deal.

There's no association with poverty and boxing. I take it all back. There's lots òf boxers produced from public schools, the leafy shires and Hampstead. Its the same all over the world. The Mexicans, the Americans black and white, the Eastern bloc fighters, they were all brought up in mansions with rich mummies and daddies. How could I be so stupid? 

Yes South Yorkshire has produced great boxers...they were all rich too. Brendan Ingle ( who I recently said should have been knighted for services to boxing),  got all his talent from middle class housing estates.

Don't be irritating. Being broke is associated with success in the ring. People from slums have been kicked up the arse from day one and  have endured grinding deprivation It hardens them and makes them less likely to quit in the ring.  Status is important to people and if you are poor, the only way you can achieve it is through fighting, either on the street or in the ring. Historically, boxing was the only way out out of the slums and crime. Behave yourself.

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by jukel123

[gnasher16 30,535]

44 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Sorry, yeah, you're right mate. I'd forgotten those two great world champions. Brilliant examples mate. They are not just gym rats with sculpted bodies. They are the real deal.

There's no association with poverty and boxing. I take it all back. There's lots òf boxers produced from public schools, the leafy shires and Hampstead. Its the same all over the world. The Mexicans, the Americans black and white, the Eastern bloc fighters, they were all brought up in mansions with rich mummies and daddies. How could I be so stupid? 

Yes South Yorkshire has produced great boxers...they were all rich too. Brendan Ingle ( who I recently said should have been knighted for services to boxing),  got all his talent from middle class housing estates.

Don't be irritating. Being broke is associated with success in the ring. People from slums have been kicked up the arse from day one and  have endured grinding deprivation It hardens them and makes them less likely to quit in the ring.  Status is important to people and if you are poor, the only way you can achieve it is through fighting, either on the street or in the ring. Historically, boxing was the only way out out of the slums and crime. Behave yourself.

 

Most of that is just common sense it doesnt really need explaining the only thing id disagree with is the " gym rats with sculpted bodies ".....no they are more than that,what those 2 lads have going for them is breeding, physically gifted yes but more importantly unquestionable competitive temperaments.....both boys have picked those traits up,whether they can achieve the same accomplishments i very much doubt but the capability is there.

 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,350]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Sorry, yeah, you're right mate. I'd forgotten those two great world champions. Brilliant examples mate. They are not just gym rats with sculpted bodies. They are the real deal.

There's no association with poverty and boxing. I take it all back. There's lots òf boxers produced from public schools, the leafy shires and Hampstead. Its the same all over the world. The Mexicans, the Americans black and white, the Eastern bloc fighters, they were all brought up in mansions with rich mummies and daddies. How could I be so stupid? 

Yes South Yorkshire has produced great boxers...they were all rich too. Brendan Ingle ( who I recently said should have been knighted for services to boxing),  got all his talent from middle class housing estates.

Don't be irritating. Being broke is associated with success in the ring. People from slums have been kicked up the arse from day one and  have endured grinding deprivation It hardens them and makes them less likely to quit in the ring.  Status is important to people and if you are poor, the only way you can achieve it is through fighting, either on the street or in the ring. Historically, boxing was the only way out out of the slums and crime. Behave yourself.

 

Does being from an impoverished background necessarily equate with being a better fighter though ? 

is the aeons old tale of the “hungry fighter “ a myth ? 

surely a man with the same characteristics, training and diet who has the ability to rest properly , in the best conditions would see off a less prepared , equally capable opponent ?