Boxing At The Weekend...

[gnasher16 30,176]

On 01/09/2023 at 00:13, mC HULL said:

i rate wilder as a puncher he’s stopped 40 men gnash it takes some doing 

i rate ortiz as descent he went at it with a better ruiz jnr then joshua jacked against it was a descent fight 

joshua i never rated beat no one but a laid up for 2 year 40 odd year old klitschko 

So Joshua beating some top 10 fighters isnt as impressive as Wilder knocking over 40 nobodies or Ortiz " going at it " with Ruiz......not to be impolite but you just talk like a besotted child where heavyweight boxing is concerned mate.....this is a terrible time for heavyweight boxing and in particular British heavyweight boxing when it could have been a great time.

We've got Fury who,with all his embarrassing dodging of fighters and taking stupid play fights with people who have never boxed.....who in any other generation would have been stripped of his belt but has " mental problems " to fall back on.

We've got Wilder who,as much as he tries bless him is just not a boxer and has been completely gifted wins in the hope that America doesnt completely lose touch on heavyweight boxing.

We've got Joshua who, awesome athlete as he is doesnt really have any real talent for the sport,learning on the job but will run out of time if he is ever to be a complete fighter.

And then we've got Usyk who,is by far the best fighter of the lot but probably not big enough to be the best in a division thats purely based on size.....biggest wins.

The whole division is a farce that nobody can gloss over or have any of the normal interesting debates that comes with other divisions....its just shit.

[gnasher16 30,176]

On 31/08/2023 at 12:12, JDHUNTING said:

Not seen the odds but listening in the radio etc everyone seems to have smith as favourite but from my recollection Eubank was getting the better of him till he switched off and got caught with a big punch, also seem to remember Eubank mucking around with his weight a lot prior to the bout I think I'm going to have a little flutter on Eubank I see him being cautious and getting the points win.

Good call that mate fair do's........ i think weight played its part but he deserves praise Eubank id quite fancy him against an ageing Golovkin if that can be made.

[mC HULL 12,807]

1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

So Joshua beating some top 10 fighters isnt as impressive as Wilder knocking over 40 nobodies or Ortiz " going at it " with Ruiz......not to be impolite but you just talk like a besotted child where heavyweight boxing is concerned mate.....this is a terrible time for heavyweight boxing and in particular British heavyweight boxing when it could have been a great time.

We've got Fury who,with all his embarrassing dodging of fighters and taking stupid play fights with people who have never boxed.....who in any other generation would have been stripped of his belt but has " mental problems " to fall back on.

We've got Wilder who,as much as he tries bless him is just not a boxer and has been completely gifted wins in the hope that America doesnt completely lose touch on heavyweight boxing.

We've got Joshua who, awesome athlete as he is doesnt really have any real talent for the sport,learning on the job but will run out of time if he is ever to be a complete fighter.

And then we've got Usyk who,is by far the best fighter of the lot but probably not big enough to be the best in a division thats purely based on size.....biggest wins.

The whole division is a farce that nobody can gloss over or have any of the normal interesting debates that comes with other divisions....its just shit.

joshua never beat a reigning champion for a belt gnash did he ? 

how many heavyweights and there all fed opponents early on has knocked out 40 in a row ? he’s a dangerous puncher in a sport  we’re you have to knock a man unconscious. he’s very  good at it and got a bronze in   the olympics something joshua wouldn’t of got if it were anywere else but london when he won gold 

fury is a far superior boxer to usyk fighters like chisora and dubois wouldn’t land a glove on him same as whyte made to look shocking totally outboxed 

i see joshua has stopped talks with wilder he won’t ever sign to fight him neither will usyk 

the hate for fury is comical he’s won against klitschko in germany a reigning 10 year champion then went to america to beat a ten fight champion who had knocked out everyone he’s fought taking belts away from home against champions 

then you say and lads talk he’s fighting against someone never fought before it’s pathetic should be stripped 

was the greatest of all time as you stated muhammad ali stripped of his undisputed world heavyweight championship belts when he went and fought a wrestler in an exhibition ?? while he was the reigning champion 

so the greatest can do it but fury can’t what’s that about mate 

[mC HULL 12,807]

1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

In a way its a shame that Eubank and Smith couldnt of had one fight where they're both at their best as its an interesting match up....but Smith looked dead at the weight the other night and Eubank looked fragile at the weight first fight....impressed with Eubanks mindset though i always thought he could go places with those genetics.

the difference was instead of thinking you’ve got roy jones reflexes and trying slip and slide you just close the distance and tie up every time smith gets close simple but effective smith wouldn’t beat him in another ten times trying i enjoyed it 

did you go ? 

[Blackmag 6,101]

3 hours ago, mC HULL said:

joshua never beat a reigning champion for a belt gnash did he ? 

how many heavyweights and there all fed opponents early on has knocked out 40 in a row ? he’s a dangerous puncher in a sport  we’re you have to knock a man unconscious. he’s very  good at it and got a bronze in   the olympics something joshua wouldn’t of got if it were anywere else but london when he won gold 

fury is a far superior boxer to usyk fighters like chisora and dubois wouldn’t land a glove on him same as whyte made to look shocking totally outboxed 

i see joshua has stopped talks with wilder he won’t ever sign to fight him neither will usyk 

the hate for fury is comical he’s won against klitschko in germany a reigning 10 year champion then went to america to beat a ten fight champion who had knocked out everyone he’s fought taking belts away from home against champions 

then you say and lads talk he’s fighting against someone never fought before it’s pathetic should be stripped 

was the greatest of all time as you stated muhammad ali stripped of his undisputed world heavyweight championship belts when he went and fought a wrestler in an exhibition ?? while he was the reigning champion 

so the greatest can do it but fury can’t what’s that about mate 

He's very good at it and got bronze in it  were does it say in boxing you have to knock them out unconscious every time  look at mayweather did he no  who is  considered  a all time great  stop it please this fury fan thing has to stop mc 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Blackmag

[fireman 10,926]

1 minute ago, Blackmag said:

He's very good at it and got bronze in it mc stop it please this fury fan thing has to stop 

Have to give him his due he's rubbing that turd like a trooper to put some polish on it eh,   ..

[mC HULL 12,807]

40 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

He's very good at it and got bronze in it  were does it say in boxing you have to knock them out unconscious every time  look at mayweather did he no  who is  considered  a all time great  stop it please this fury fan thing has to stop mc 

it’s a good achievement bronze in the olympics black with hardly any amateur experience aswell 

your aim is to knock the other man out ain’t it? 

mayweather did and could at the lower weights mate 

how many people have beaten chisora and whyte as easily as fury did ? 

[mC HULL 12,807]

39 minutes ago, fireman said:

Have to give him his due he's rubbing that turd like a trooper to put some polish on it eh,   ..

he’s unbeaten won every belt there is to win at heavyweight and can box move or go at it and he has heart in abundance  what world are you in ? 

[jukel123 8,237]

I've been watching some old British middleweight fights. Brilliant entertainment from genuine fighters who didn't duck each other and enjoyed the sport: Kaylor,Sibson,Minter, Finnegan, Graham, Christie and others. 

When you watch these fights you  realise how much boxing has deteriorated. They are a breath of fresh air. I'm not interested in MMA etc, but at least those guys are genuine pugilists. Which is more than you can say for many modern British boxers.

Edited September 7, 2023 by jukel123

[jukel123 8,237]

23 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

So Joshua beating some top 10 fighters isnt as impressive as Wilder knocking over 40 nobodies or Ortiz " going at it " with Ruiz......not to be impolite but you just talk like a besotted child where heavyweight boxing is concerned mate.....this is a terrible time for heavyweight boxing and in particular British heavyweight boxing when it could have been a great time.

We've got Fury who,with all his embarrassing dodging of fighters and taking stupid play fights with people who have never boxed.....who in any other generation would have been stripped of his belt but has " mental problems " to fall back on.

We've got Wilder who,as much as he tries bless him is just not a boxer and has been completely gifted wins in the hope that America doesnt completely lose touch on heavyweight boxing.

We've got Joshua who, awesome athlete as he is doesnt really have any real talent for the sport,learning on the job but will run out of time if he is ever to be a complete fighter.

And then we've got Usyk who,is by far the best fighter of the lot but probably not big enough to be the best in a division thats purely based on size.....biggest wins.

The whole division is a farce that nobody can gloss over or have any of the normal interesting debates that comes with other divisions....its just shit.

I'll say one thing for Wilder, he's  not a quitter. I'm not sure the same can be said for Joshua or Dubois and a few others. I gave Dubois the benefit of the doubt when he had the orbital fracture of his eye against Joyce. But he showed his fragile psyche again against Usyk. Neither Dubois or Joshua are the real deal for me.

Edited September 7, 2023 by jukel123

[mC HULL 12,807]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

I'll say one thing for Wilder, he's  not a quitter. I'm not sure the same can be said for Joshua or Dubois and a few others. I gave Dubois the benefit of the doubt when he had the orbital fracture of his eye against Joyce. But he showed his fragile psyche again against Usyk. Neither Dubois or Joshua are the real deal for me.

spot on jukel the most import attribute is the will to win and to never give up fury has it it’s why he’s so hard to beat and so does wilder he will keep on knowing one shot and his hands raised 

joshua dubois shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath really 

but i’d say usyk has it also he won’t quit 

[gnasher16 30,176]

On 06/09/2023 at 17:45, mC HULL said:

joshua never beat a reigning champion for a belt gnash did he ? 

how many heavyweights and there all fed opponents early on has knocked out 40 in a row ? he’s a dangerous puncher in a sport  we’re you have to knock a man unconscious. he’s very  good at it and got a bronze in   the olympics something joshua wouldn’t of got if it were anywere else but london when he won gold 

fury is a far superior boxer to usyk fighters like chisora and dubois wouldn’t land a glove on him same as whyte made to look shocking totally outboxed 

i see joshua has stopped talks with wilder he won’t ever sign to fight him neither will usyk 

the hate for fury is comical he’s won against klitschko in germany a reigning 10 year champion then went to america to beat a ten fight champion who had knocked out everyone he’s fought taking belts away from home against champions 

then you say and lads talk he’s fighting against someone never fought before it’s pathetic should be stripped 

was the greatest of all time as you stated muhammad ali stripped of his undisputed world heavyweight championship belts when he went and fought a wrestler in an exhibition ?? while he was the reigning champion 

so the greatest can do it but fury can’t what’s that about mate 

Too silly to debate mate sorry......im not going to have a serious conversation with a besotted child.

[mC HULL 12,807]

14 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Too silly to debate mate sorry......im not going to have a serious conversation with a besotted child.

did the greatest of all time muhammad ali have an exhibition against a jap wrestler while he was the reigning undisputed heavyweight champion gnash ?  

[gnasher16 30,176]

21 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I'll say one thing for Wilder, he's  not a quitter. I'm not sure the same can be said for Joshua or Dubois and a few others. I gave Dubois the benefit of the doubt when he had the orbital fracture of his eye against Joyce. But he showed his fragile psyche again against Usyk. Neither Dubois or Joshua are the real deal for me.

Possibly....they all have their different faults and qualities.....what Wilder lacks in basic boxing ability he makes up for in courage,fair do's......what Joshua lacks in courage he makes up for in basic boxing ability and so on.......my problem is some of them particularly Fury are getting away with major faults due to their sheer size and that leaves a sour taste for boxing purists...again it all comes back to the same thing if Fury/Wilder/Joshua/Joyce etc was Usyks size it wouldnt even be competitive he is far superior in every area where size doesnt play a roll.....we've seen through history every major world champion at light heavy/cruiser has to fight a heavyweight from Bob Foster to Michael Spinks,Holyfield and so on....but they were jumping up by an inch or two in height/reach and maybe 8 or 9 lb in weight.......not half a foot and 5 stone like today its just ridiculous and makes a mockery of competitive sport.

Regards Dubois i had a few quid tied up in him when he first turned pro but very soon pulled out after seeing quit in him when he stepped up in level even in sparring ....also his father being a complete idiot didnt help but the lad isnt the brightest spark and will do the most instinctive thing that comes into his mind in any given situation.....and then use the excuses made for him by others afterwards.....its a shame as again he's an awesome athlete but you just cant put in what nature left out.

[gnasher16 30,176]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

did the greatest of all time muhammad ali have an exhibition against a jap wrestler while he was the reigning undisputed heavyweight champion gnash ?  

Yes but if you are seriously comparing the life and career of Muhammad Ali to the life and career of Tyson Fury then its too silly to discuss sorry.