jukel123 8,538 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Hes definitely improved undeg Sugar Hill, said ages ago that he needs to start punching his weight else the likes of Wilder or Joshua would walk through him... he should beat any of this current crop, its a poor era imo... I watch.a lot of old fights on you tube, that Holyfield V Cooper fight you put up, what a cracking fight!! But I honestly don't think ill be watching many of these fights in 10 years time... maybe Fury Wilder 2... or Joshua V Klitcko ... but a lot of these fights are shit to be honest... I said when he was with Peter Fury that he needed to go to America and learn with the big boys. And yet what he learned, that he was the biggest kid in the class, and should throw his weight around, was pretty obvious really. Edited May 7, 2022 by jukel123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
New moon 250 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Hes definitely improved undeg Sugar Hill, said ages ago that he needs to start punching his weight else the likes of Wilder or Joshua would walk through him... he should beat any of this current crop, its a poor era imo... I watch.a lot of old fights on you tube, that Holyfield V Cooper fight you put up, what a cracking fight!! But I honestly don't think ill be watching many of these fights in 10 years time... maybe Fury Wilder 2... or Joshua V Klitcko ... but a lot of these fights are shit to be honest... Totally agree mate, this era not up to much as regards hw division, must admit though i did like aj ruiz 1, and usyk aj yeah holyfield and cooper went at it proper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,906 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, mC HULL said: yes wild boar containing nandrolone he should a got the shit joshua is on won’t even have a test for it Fury is 'supposedly' very savvy, maybe not eh?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,359 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, New moon said: Totally agree mate, this era not up to much as regards hw division, must admit though i did like aj ruiz 1, and usyk aj yeah holyfield and cooper went at it proper. Watched the first Holyfield v Tyson fight earlier... what a tough f****r Holyfield was.. people say about him on the gear etc..but that don't give you heart and a chin like his... those scraps with Bowe were great as well...certainly in the top 10 imo 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, New moon said: Totally agree mate, this era not up to much as regards hw division, must admit though i did like aj ruiz 1, and usyk aj yeah holyfield and cooper went at it proper. AJ has had the fighter coached out of him. He was a decent puncher and a proper pugilist and then he became a cautious second rate defensive boxer. To quote Barry McGuigan:" what moron told him to try and box Usyk?" 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, NEWKID said: Watched the first Holyfield v Tyson fight earlier... what a tough f****r Holyfield was.. people say about him on the gear etc..but that don't give you heart and a chin like his... those scraps with Bowe were great as well...certainly in the top 10 imo And he was really a blown up cruiserweight. It's the size of the fight in the dog as they say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
New moon 250 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: AJ has had the fighter coached out of him. He was a decent puncher and a proper pugilist and then he became a cautious second rate defensive boxer. To quote Barry McGuigan:" what moron told him to try and box Usyk?" Teddy atlas calls it protecting the china, and hes right, after ruiz 1 he changed, rob McCracken can't do nothing about his chin, aj says it was his decision to try to out box usyk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Fury is 'supposedly' very savvy, maybe not eh?! He said at the time " all boxers take drugs" which was a bit of an eye opener for naive me. I suppose they juice up and then keep clear of the testers until their specimens are clear. Remember M Tyson used to use a false dick and somebody else's urine to present to the officials? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, New moon said: Teddy atlas calls it protecting the china, and hes right, after ruiz 1 he changed, rob McCracken can't do nothing about his chin, aj says it was his decision to try to out box usyk. If it really was his decision to try and box Usyk, what does he have a trainer for? Whatever, he needs to throw punches like he used to, or become another shit scared Audley Harrison. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,359 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, jukel123 said: And he was really a blown up cruiserweight. It's the size of the fight in the dog as they say. Look.at the fights against Bowe, much bigger man but Holyfield stood and traded... problem is Fury ties the man up wrestles 90% of the time inside, so the fights are messy, his sheer size and wrestling skills would probably be too much for Holyfield but I know who id rather watch. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,317 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Watched the first Holyfield v Tyson fight earlier... what a tough f****r Holyfield was.. people say about him on the gear etc..but that don't give you heart and a chin like his... those scraps with Bowe were great as well...certainly in the top 10 imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,906 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Look.at the fights against Bowe, much bigger man but Holyfield stood and traded... problem is Fury ties the man up wrestles 90% of the time inside, so the fights are messy, his sheer size and wrestling skills would probably be too much for Holyfield but I know who id rather watch. And there we have it, nk, ties everyone up with his long arms. He is NOTHING LIKE a great boxer, and will NEVER be 'the best', faaar from it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,317 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, shaaark said: And there we have it, nk, ties everyone up with his long arms. He is NOTHING LIKE a great boxer, and will NEVER be 'the best', faaar from it. your missing the point mate he may not be the best to watch but on his night he would beat all the greats Quote Link to post Share on other sites
New moon 250 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: your missing the point mate he may not be the best to watch but on his night he would beat all the greats Not for me, hes made hard work of some very average fighters to make such a statement, like ive already said, hes had 3 fights worth watching. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,359 Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 Just now, mC HULL said: your missing the point mate he may not be the best to watch but on his night he would beat all the greats Any could beat any mate, Cooper could've beat Ali (clay at the time), Rahman beat Lewis... are they considered greats? Fury can only beat whats infront of him, I personally think Wilder is a terrible boxer, he has that 1 big looping right hand and fair play knocked a load of people out with it... Fury beat him and on paper thats his best wins... he was in all sorts of trouble in all 3 fights came through it and won.... I just don't think there is the boxers around for the last 10 years or so at HW to test a man who is so big and grapples constantly.. how he would fair in other eras is up for debate, perhaps his size would still be the deciding factor? But I just can't see this brilliant boxer, ring IQ, footwork etc personally... 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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