gnasher16 30,256 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 6 hours ago, mC HULL said: 4 stones nothing mate your 15–16 stone on you should be able to put anyone away No real point having weight divisions in boxing really is there....not in your world anyway. Fighting a man 4 stone bigger is pretty much an unprecedented scenario in boxing,you are just using guesswork to form opinions. Edited January 15 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, gnasher16 said: No real point having weight divisions in boxing really is there....not in your world anyway. Fighting a man 4 stone bigger is pretty much an unprecedented scenario in boxing,you are just using guesswork to form opinions. wait isn’t wilder 15 stone ? all knock outs but a few mate a 15 stone man can knock anyone out i think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, gnasher16 said: Why do they ? Usyk coasted against Fury and probably had more gears to go to if needed.....but why take unnecessary risks moving in for the kill in a multi million pound bout where you know you have your man beaten. He's not there to entertain you mate he's there to do a job. that’s why he will be forgotten mate not one epic fight 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,798 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 21 minutes ago, mC HULL said: wait isn’t wilder 15 stone ? all knock outs but a few mate a 15 stone man can knock anyone out i think Because they were all frightened before they started until the myth was exposed and he’s lost to everyone since, you gotta give the fanboy hatred up mate your looking daft 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,256 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 55 minutes ago, mC HULL said: wait isn’t wilder 15 stone ? all knock outs but a few mate a 15 stone man can knock anyone out i think Oh well 1 man in 100 years of boxing proves it then......theres simply no need to get into a slugfest when you have a man beaten......you're not getting it so no point explaining it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,256 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 55 minutes ago, mC HULL said: that’s why he will be forgotten mate not one epic fight He'll be forgotten by casual/tv boxing fans in the same way as many other elite level boxers have.....but not everyone needs to see drama and excitement to appreciate a great fighter....again,you wouldnt understand. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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shaaark 10,882 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 30 minutes ago, Greyman said: Because they were all frightened before they started until the myth was exposed and he’s lost to everyone since, you gotta give the fanboy hatred up mate your looking daft Plus the fact all his opponents, apart from the last few, have been postmen, journeymen etc, and basically rubbish. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,278 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2025 at 16:37, mC HULL said: lol you can’t find what isn’t there mate Mate you said on many occasions Fury would be a handful and probably beat anyone in any era, you argued he had amazing boxing skills for a giant and the 2 of those assets combined would make him pretty much unbeatable... Weve had a few chats in the past on here about it, I've said for ages I just didn't see the boxing skills other did, his only worthy fights were 3 fights against Wilder who is shit...always has been... The only real opposition he has faced is Usyk and he came up short twice... He didn't put a dent in him... So Fury in your opinion was a hall of famer, one of the greats etc before he met Usyk, but Usyk won't be remembered, is overrated, fights like amature etc... You can't have it both ways, either Fury has always been over rated and you jumped in the band wagon or Usyk is one of the greats beating another as well as giving a 4 stone? My view is the same as its always been, Fury relied on his size in the main and beat pretty shit opposition (klitchko was a complete non event), average skills, good seller of fights, made a shit load more money than his skills warranted.. Usyk will be remembered as a great boxer, one of the best skill sets at cruiser/heavy, in a land of giants he was without doubt the best of the era.. 8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 28 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Mate you said on many occasions Fury would be a handful and probably beat anyone in any era, you argued he had amazing boxing skills for a giant and the 2 of those assets combined would make him pretty much unbeatable... Weve had a few chats in the past on here about it, I've said for ages I just didn't see the boxing skills other did, his only worthy fights were 3 fights against Wilder who is shit...always has been... The only real opposition he has faced is Usyk and he came up short twice... He didn't put a dent in him... So Fury in your opinion was a hall of famer, one of the greats etc before he met Usyk, but Usyk won't be remembered, is overrated, fights like amature etc... You can't have it both ways, either Fury has always been over rated and you jumped in the band wagon or Usyk is one of the greats beating another as well as giving a 4 stone? My view is the same as its always been, Fury relied on his size in the main and beat pretty shit opposition (klitchko was a complete non event), average skills, good seller of fights, made a shit load more money than his skills warranted.. Usyk will be remembered as a great boxer, one of the best skill sets at cruiser/heavy, in a land of giants he was without doubt the best of the era.. exactly as i said mate he’d trouble any heavy in any era but some i said would beat him if we’re scoring heavyweight title fights like it’s the ameteurs your going to get shite fights semi contact heavyweight boxing sickening Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,882 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 47 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Mate you said on many occasions Fury would be a handful and probably beat anyone in any era, you argued he had amazing boxing skills for a giant and the 2 of those assets combined would make him pretty much unbeatable... Weve had a few chats in the past on here about it, I've said for ages I just didn't see the boxing skills other did, his only worthy fights were 3 fights against Wilder who is shit...always has been... The only real opposition he has faced is Usyk and he came up short twice... He didn't put a dent in him... So Fury in your opinion was a hall of famer, one of the greats etc before he met Usyk, but Usyk won't be remembered, is overrated, fights like amature etc... You can't have it both ways, either Fury has always been over rated and you jumped in the band wagon or Usyk is one of the greats beating another as well as giving a 4 stone? My view is the same as its always been, Fury relied on his size in the main and beat pretty shit opposition (klitchko was a complete non event), average skills, good seller of fights, made a shit load more money than his skills warranted.. Usyk will be remembered as a great boxer, one of the best skill sets at cruiser/heavy, in a land of giants he was without doubt the best of the era.. You're wasting energy, mate. I've been saying the same thing for years, re fury being overrated etc, and wilder being absolutely f****n dreadful!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,278 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 52 minutes ago, mC HULL said: exactly as i said mate he’d trouble any heavy in any era but some i said would beat him if we’re scoring heavyweight title fights like it’s the ameteurs your going to get shite fights semi contact heavyweight boxing sickening He didn't trouble Usyk at all mate and he's a pumped up Cruiser...I don't thinka he'd trouble many of the top 10 of all time, he's never punched his size, he isn't a great technician, he is a bit chinny (great recovery a few times though)... It's really that simple, for respect him coming back from a dark place and he made some big nights, he's earnt a shit ton of money..but that's it...he just isn't good enough to be put anywhere near the likes of Ali, Frasier, Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman, Bowe, Tyson even Holmes imo ... Going on your idea that he'd trouble any heavy in any era, do you think Usyk would trouble/beat them all. I realise boxing ain't top trumps, but going on your thinking Usyk beat him fairly easily twice so he must be top of the pile?? Lol 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, NEWKID said: He didn't trouble Usyk at all mate and he's a pumped up Cruiser...I don't thinka he'd trouble many of the top 10 of all time, he's never punched his size, he isn't a great technician, he is a bit chinny (great recovery a few times though)... It's really that simple, for respect him coming back from a dark place and he made some big nights, he's earnt a shit ton of money..but that's it...he just isn't good enough to be put anywhere near the likes of Ali, Frasier, Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman, Bowe, Tyson even Holmes imo ... Going on your idea that he'd trouble any heavy in any era, do you think Usyk would trouble/beat them all. I realise boxing ain't top trumps, but going on your thinking Usyk beat him fairly easily twice so he must be top of the pile?? Lol i don’t think usyj beat him easily mate i think either fight could of gone either way the shots won usyk it were throw away taps to the body they wouldn’t of even been scored in ali frazier or even tyson lewis era scoring them little taps to the body is like scoring a hand out gauging distance if it touches them lol both thought the win had more in the tank both poor mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Oh well 1 man in 100 years of boxing proves it then......theres simply no need to get into a slugfest when you have a man beaten......you're not getting it so no point explaining it. so wilder was a freak ? beaten it could a gone either way mate i get what your saying i just don’t agree mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,133 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, gnasher16 said: No real point having weight divisions in boxing really is there....not in your world anyway. Fighting a man 4 stone bigger is pretty much an unprecedented scenario in boxing,you are just using guesswork to form opinions. there isn’t is there heavyweight can be ten stone difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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