Boxing At The Weekend...

[lurcherman 887 13,180]

Like aj was going to fight Dubois again lol 

[pesky1972 5,316]

15 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said:

Like aj was going to fight Dubois again lol 

I predict a Fury win and a triumphant THL return for Max.

[bird 9,938]

40 minutes ago, pesky1972 said:

I predict a Fury win and a triumphant THL return for Max.

Lol yup,  Furry yeh , think  Aj finished  now, and  uysk  prob finish this  year, think  beat DD this year  get that belf of him  or if parker  got it in Feb  beat him the retire  undefeated  heavyweight  champ of the world.

[YOKEL 2,276]

 Jai Opetaia v David Nyika....proper bar room brawl and a brutal, brutal knockout!!!! Hopefully gets the unification match later this year, should be a cracker! 

Yokel 

[gnasher16 30,217]

On 24/12/2024 at 15:46, Lenmcharristar said:

Frazer vs marciano would be a cracking match for that, whod ya fancy to win

Good shout that is mate......be a messy fight alright and not much to separate them but for me Fraziers delivery of punches was far superior to Marciano and im not sure he was any less tough/determined than The Rock.....so Frazier for me.

[jukel123 8,292]

Slightly off topic, but I've always thought Lennox Lewis would be right up there in any era of boxing. He could bang, good chin, terrific physique and movement plus a real student of the sport. I think he was one of the first giants, but I reckon he would have outclassed Fury no problem. Granted Klitchko gave him a fright, but definitely in the  top 3 of all time for me. 

Edited January 9 by jukel123

[gnasher16 30,217]

On 23/12/2024 at 23:53, Goly said:

I've just read that, but apparently it's 15 x 4. What has impressed me these last two bouts against Fury is Usyk's punch resistance, Fury is by no means a pure knockout artist but in these past few years he's arguably been hitting the hardest he's ever hit under the tutelage of Sugar Hill. His knockout over Whyte was impressive, Usyk looked unfazed on Saturday to the body & head. He has certainly done great things at HW, AJ & Fury twice and Dubois on the resume, what more does he have to prove, he's a bona fida ATG.

Im not sure we'll ever know for sure if Usyk can take a good shot or not simply because he's never out of position so rarely takes a full blooded shot his timing is so good that he's either too close or too far away where the sting has left the shot even though it might have landed....Ray Leonard was brilliant at that i dont think he had a particularly good chin he just rarely got caught with full blooded shots due to timing its a real art to watch that kind of predicted movement and sheer athletic talent.

[gnasher16 30,217]

On 24/12/2024 at 11:29, bird said:

That's it mate, I said about uysk  that if he a natural  cruiser 14st 4lb just over 200lb. And fought at 16st 2lb   , and   15st 12lb against  fury.and fought  at these weights  in his heavyweight  scraps.and been, fast, agile,great stamina, and enough power to drop most heavyweights  like did fury 1st fight. Is he natural  heavyweight,   or cruiser.  I think  he natural at 6ft 3in 16st  ,. Wonder what Gnash thinks?

I dont think for 1 minute Usyk is a natural heavyweight in the same way that Holyfield,Spinks all the way back to Bob Foster and the like were not natural heavyweights....but its always been the same all great light heavies or cruisers in recent times have to fight at heavyweight to make the money......ive probably told the story before but i was utterly convinced that Michael Spinks would beat Mike Tyson back in the late eighties .......i was a big Spinks fan i followed his career from the 76 Olympics right the way through the light heavies and just thought he had this unbelievable herky jerky type movement that threw opponents off track i remember old Reg Gutteridge calling his straight right hand the Spinks Jinx because he just seemed able to land it at will through unusual athletic movement.......probably in that days version of how Usyk fights today.......and so even though he was a far smaller specimen that MIke Tyson i was sure he would beat him.....so for me the sheer size differences are not really the issue its how fighters use that size i just think Fury could fight Usyk a hundred times whether Fury weighed 22 stone or 18 stone it would make no difference he just cant deal with Usyk as an athlete......i actually think David Haye would of been a nightmare for Fury had they fought back years ago,Haye couldnt move like Usyk but his pinpoint accuracy and finishing ability would of been disastrous for Fury at that time regardless of the size difference......anyway im rambling sorry 

[jukel123 8,292]

9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Im not sure we'll ever know for sure if Usyk can take a good shot or not simply because he's never out of position so rarely takes a full blooded shot his timing is so good that he's either too close or too far away where the sting has left the shot even though it might have landed....Ray Leonard was brilliant at that i dont think he had a particularly good chin he just rarely got caught with full blooded shots due to timing its a real art to watch that kind of predicted movement and sheer athletic talent.

Do you remember the epic between Hagler and Leonard ?

That fight really divided opinion big time. Leonard dodged Hagler and scored with punches that barely grazed Hagler

I'm still not sure. At the time I was on my feet roaring that Hagler had been robbed. But now I'm not so sure.

[gnasher16 30,217]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Do you remember the epic between Hagler and Leonard ?

That fight really divided opinion big time. Leonard dodged Hagler and scored with punches that barely grazed Hagler

I'm still not sure. At the time I was on my feet roaring that Hagler had been robbed. But now I'm not so sure.

Ive watched that fight many times over the years mate,scored it the same every time i had Leonard winning by a couple, on landed punches.....i loved the way Hagler fought but same thing....some opponents just have your number athletically,i think it was the 9th Hagler caught Leonard with his best shot of the fight but it was right at the end of the punch Leonards timing was just so cute.....and if i remember right Leonard rallied late on to take the round which typified the whole fight.....i remember at the time feeling the fight was an anti climax after such a huge build up but again,watching it over the years Leonards speed and movement was something else he just knew how to beat Hagler and similar to Usyk/Fury i think they could have fought a hundred times and Leonard would have edged the fight in the same way every time.

[Goly 555]

Leonard picked the perfect time to face Hagler after ducking him for years, he saw on the night that Marvin faced Mugabi that he'd faded a little, that war took even more out of him.

[gnasher16 30,217]

1 hour ago, Goly said:

Leonard picked the perfect time to face Hagler after ducking him for years, he saw on the night that Marvin faced Mugabi that he'd faded a little, that war took even more out of him.

Although you are right to a point i dont think theres ever a good time to have your first bout at a heavier weight having been out of the ring for 3 years facing the most dominant world champion in years.......but that was the confidence and arrogance of Leonard as a fighter.

[Goly 555]

8 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Although you are right to a point i dont think theres ever a good time to have your first bout at a heavier weight having been out of the ring for 3 years facing the most dominant world champion in years.......but that was the confidence and arrogance of Leonard as a fighter.

Not taking anything away from him, he put in a great performance, it's a fight where I change my mind every time I watch it. Both very special fighters.

[gnasher16 30,217]

36 minutes ago, Goly said:

Not taking anything away from him, he put in a great performance, it's a fight where I change my mind every time I watch it. Both very special fighters.

I always felt that Leonard had a nasty streak to him,a pompous belittling kind of thing where he knew he could beat Hagler but waited until people felt it was impossible for him to do so....similar to when he went up to " light heavy " but set the weight at 168 to beat the Canadian and nearly came unstuck he just had an air of superior " im Ray Leonard i can do what i like " about him.

[Goly 555]

Just now, gnasher16 said:

I always felt that Leonard had a nasty streak to him,a pompous belittling kind of thing where he knew he could beat Hagler but waited until people felt it was impossible for him to do so....similar to when he went up to " light heavy " but set the weight at 168 to beat the Canadian and nearly came unstuck he just had an air of superior " im Ray Leonard i can do what i like " about him.

I'm not sure I agree, Hagler a few years earlier was faster, he'd definitely slowed considerably by the time they met. He left something in the ring with Mugabi, took a lot of shots in that bout. But, he fought the wrong fight in the early rounds, he gave away those first few rounds and then had to chase it. Leonard was a special fighter though, no doubt about that.