Boxing At The Weekend...

[jukel123 8,113]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

deducted a point ? it’s part of boxing mate

dancing arm punchers the best you’ve seen you want to get watching the ameteurs jukel be right up your street lol

I think this business of the public demanding knockouts and boxers being judged on the power of their punches is bollocks.

I genuinely get more pleasure out of seeing two evenly matched movers in the ring than a concussive puncher knocking out an opponent.

Imo knockouts are part of the sport and can be a work of art in themselves. But knockouts are not the be all and end all of boxing.

We've all seen too many injuries and fatalities to drool over a man stretched out on the canvas receiving oxygen.

Edited December 23, 2024 by jukel123

[gnasher16 30,121]

8 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Good post. Fury could have been deducted points on a few occasions for holding and hitting.

Usyk is the best technical heavyweight I've ever seen. No wonder he has the beating  of the current crop of heavyweights. None come even close to him in ability.

It would be fascinating to have seen Usyk up against Ali, Holyfield or Lewis. They had a fluidity or power of punch which I think Usyk would have struggled with. 

I was only discussing this the other week......a Holyfield v Usyk bout at Cruiserweight would have been an absolutely unbelievable fight.....regards the other greats as with any comparisons of era you have to keep it sensible Usyk without his constant pace and pressure wouldnt be the same fighter,which in Ali's era he probably wouldnt have had.....but yes i tend to believe that Ali would have found a way........Frazier v Usyk would have been colossal !

[mC HULL 12,621]

5 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think this business of the public demanding knockouts and boxers being judged on the power of their punches is bollocks.

I genuinely get more pleasure out of seeing two evenly matched movers in the ring than a concussive puncher knocking out an opponent.

Imo knockouts are part of the sport and can be a work of art in themselves. But knockouts are not the be all and end all of boxing.

We've all seen too many injuries and fatalities to druel over a man stretched out on the canvas receiving oxygen.

it’s heavyweight boxing jukel ? 

a knockdown or 4-5 is what’s expected isn’t it 

 

[Lenmcharristar 9,802]

49 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I was only discussing this the other week......a Holyfield v Usyk bout at Cruiserweight would have been an absolutely unbelievable fight.....regards the other greats as with any comparisons of era you have to keep it sensible Usyk without his constant pace and pressure wouldnt be the same fighter,which in Ali's era he probably wouldnt have had.....but yes i tend to believe that Ali would have found a way........Frazier v Usyk would have been colossal !

To fight holyfield you need to put petrol on yer face and head to toughen up the skin ready for his constant head butting, i never liked holyfield but cant deny his abilities or achievement's

[martyn2233 2,593]

50 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

it’s heavyweight boxing jukel ? 

a knockdown or 4-5 is what’s expected isn’t it 

 

Sorry I didn’t realised every time Furry got punched. You get screwed up more in ya head now stop talking shite and put your hand in your pocket lol

[jukel123 8,113]

Just spent a geeky half hour comparing fighting weights in (kilos) of some of the heavyweights I grew up with.

Sir Henry Cooper 84

Rocky Marciano 85

Ali 93, first fight against Frazier

Frazier 93 first fight against Ali

Lewis 110

Fury Saturday night 127

Usyk 102

Holyfield 102

Foreman 99 first fight against Frazier

I suppose I was pondering whether Usyk could have cut it with guys of the past. On paper maybe all of them except Lewis. He was a genuinely big, balanced, fluid heavyweight with a concussive punch to boot. Ali in his prime would have danced around Usyk and picked him off imo.

But as has been said, what contests Usyk v Frazier and Usyk v Holyfield would have been! I suspect Usyk's true fighting weight would be closer to that of Frazier and Holyfield without him bulking up to heavyweight.

 Frazier had no reverse gear and no quit in  him and Hoyfield was not far off Frazier in ability and just general hardness. Usyk likes to take control of fights and dictate the pace, but neither would have allowed him to.

 But we will never know.

Edited December 23, 2024 by jukel123

[Goly 272]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Just spent a geeky half hour comparing fighting weights in (kilos) of some of the heavyweights I grew up with.

Sir Henry Cooper 84

Rocky Marciano 85

Ali 93, first fight against Frazier

Frazier 93 first fight against Ali

Lewis 110

Fury Saturday night 127

Usyk 102

Holyfield 102

Foreman 99 first fight against Frazier

I suppose I was pondering whether Usyk could have cut it with guys of the past. On paper maybe all of them except Lewis. He was a genuinely big, balanced, fluid heavyweight with a concussive punch to boot. Ali in his prime would have danced around Usyk and picked him off imo.

But as has been said, what contests Usyk v Frazier and Usyk v Holyfield would have been! I suspect Usyk's true fighting weight would be closer to that of Frazier and Holyfield without him bulking up to heavyweight.

 Frazier had no reverse gear and no quit in  him and Hoyfield was not far off Frazier in ability and just general hardness. Usyk likes to take control of fights and dictate the pace, but neither would have allowed him to.

 But we will never know.

I think Frazier is a stylistic nightmare for Usyk, he wouldn't let him breathe, I can't see how Usyk could keep him off.

[Lenmcharristar 9,802]

Furys problem is hes not the concussive puncher like a lot of others in the hw division, for being the biggest he lacks that power that could have made the difference but i guess it was back to boxing, jack dempsy already put up the blue print on how to fell the giants 100 years ago

[bird 9,926]

1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Furys problem is hes not the concussive puncher like a lot of others in the hw division, for being the biggest he lacks that power that could have made the difference but i guess it was back to boxing, jack dempsy already put up the blue print on how to fell the giants 100 years ago

how big was jack Dempsey, think i read he was 6ft   14st , so more of a cruser weight  today. wonder Uysk  bulks up 2 fookin stone , and as still great agility stamina , and enough power to stop most heavyweights . as if he is natural 14st 4lb cruiser weight , like been said  . after get Gnash on it and, say how man can still box great carrying 30 lb of extra muscle ??  

[Lenmcharristar 9,802]

22 minutes ago, bird said:

how big was jack Dempsey, think i read he was 6ft   14st , so more of a cruser weight  today. wonder Uysk  bulks up 2 fookin stone , and as still great agility stamina , and enough power to stop most heavyweights . as if he is natural 14st 4lb cruiser weight , like been said  . after get Gnash on it and, say how man can still box great carrying 30 lb of extra muscle ??  

Fury was 30lb extra flab, flab dont need oxygen, but he could build himself better legs and a stronger core to generate more explosive power which will equate to more force behind his punch, prob just a battle of the roids at this stage

[low plains drifter 10,564]

6 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

To fight holyfield you need to put petrol on yer face and head to toughen up the skin ready for his constant head butting, i never liked holyfield but cant deny his abilities or achievement's

He steeps his head in petrol it's like rock

He'll leave your face looking like a butchers block  

[jukel123 8,113]

Fury must have been advised to bulk up in order to overpower and walk through Usyk in the same way that he overwhelmed Wilder by walking him down.

But that was stupid advice imo. Wilder was a poor boxer with  a  freakish power punch and not much punch resistance. Usyk is a different animal entirely. Nobody can tie him up on the ropes. Definitely not Fury.

Bulked up or carrying his normal weight, Fury never had the beating of Usyk. Although to be fair, in the first fight he landed some some terrific uppercuts on Usyk which had him in trouble momentarily. But Usyk, as always, recovered quickly and met fire with fire.

[jukel123 8,113]

19 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

He steeps his head in petrol it's like rock

He'll leave your face looking like a butchers block  

His head was like a rock, but, sadly his brain is scrambled. He slurs his speech like a lot of the old timers.

[Goly 272]

There's only one man that could challenge Usyk.

 

[jukel123 8,113]

7 minutes ago, Goly said:

There's only one man that could challenge Usyk.

 

How can that sub human have more ability than  me when it comes to making and posting videos?  I haven't got a clue.

The Internet was supposed to free us all from the bollocks we read and have broadcast to us. Instead it gave every fucktard a voice.Lol