gnasher16 30,046 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 22 hours ago, NEWKID said: I've got to agree with Mchull that the past 10 years have been marginally better than the previous 10 years...that Klitcscho era seems like a distant bad dream, surely the time between 2004 and 2014 must be the worst in history... Regards everything else, of course the 70s is head and shoulders above, before my time but I've tried to watch as much of that era as possible .. remember the late 80s and 90s well, and for me that's the best in my lifetime... I don't think any of the current mob would stand with half of the 70s or 90s champions or contenders... Id say the only era that was possibly worse than todays was the 80's.....beyond Holmes at the start and Tyson at the end it was a terrible decade for heavyweight boxing.....i honestly dont know how the division will ever get back to what it was....what most fans miss about classic heavyweight boxing can now be found in the light heavyweight division that contains genuine stars of the sport with well rounded skills and work rate......the heavyweights at world level will always be the showcase pantomime area of the game but most hardcore boxing folk accept its probably the worst division in boxing for skills and ability etc. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,117 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 4 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Id say the only era that was possibly worse than todays was the 80's.....beyond Holmes at the start and Tyson at the end it was a terrible decade for heavyweight boxing.....i honestly dont know how the division will ever get back to what it was....what most fans miss about classic heavyweight boxing can now be found in the light heavyweight division that contains genuine stars of the sport with well rounded skills and work rate......the heavyweights at world level will always be the showcase pantomime area of the game but most hardcore boxing folk accept its probably the worst division in boxing for skills and ability etc. I was born in 76 Gnash, so to be honest the first heavyweight that grabbed my attention was Tyson, I was 9 or 10 when he beat Berbick and still remember it vividly, watched with my dad and brother...I probably got a decent run of it from 85/86 and through the 90s...but by god that 10 years of the Klitckos was awful, would send a glass eye to sleep...I seriously can't remember many of the fights, perhaps Haye beating Valuev only for sheer novelty factor really though... I watch a lot of old fights on you tube.. Bang on about the light heavyweight division, it's full of real quality fighters, with the 2 standout fighters actually putting it on the line knowing a loss is worth the risk as a win sets up legendary status, no chance with any of the current heavies .. Bertibiev for me in that main event, what's your thoughts? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,046 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 44 minutes ago, NEWKID said: I was born in 76 Gnash, so to be honest the first heavyweight that grabbed my attention was Tyson, I was 9 or 10 when he beat Berbick and still remember it vividly, watched with my dad and brother...I probably got a decent run of it from 85/86 and through the 90s...but by god that 10 years of the Klitckos was awful, would send a glass eye to sleep...I seriously can't remember many of the fights, perhaps Haye beating Valuev only for sheer novelty factor really though... I watch a lot of old fights on you tube.. Bang on about the light heavyweight division, it's full of real quality fighters, with the 2 standout fighters actually putting it on the line knowing a loss is worth the risk as a win sets up legendary status, no chance with any of the current heavies .. Bertibiev for me in that main event, what's your thoughts? Fair play mate you dont have the impressionable sentiment type of thing for Tyson a lot of chaps of your generation have ....im a bit older than you so caught the early Holmes career in my impressionable years and much as i admire his qualities he just didnt have the charisma to get all sentimental about. Regards the light heavies its not just at world level of course even domestically theres great matches being made. I'm going Bivol mate....its a mouth watering boxer v puncher thing on paper but when you look at them as individuals they both have so much more than that,Beterbiev i think has underrated skills,a good jab and footwork while Bivol although not a finisher has underrated power.....Bivol at times looks defensively superb but Beterbiev doesnt need a lot of space to generate real power....i think the challenge Beterbiev will have is not getting frustrated if Bivols movement and distance make things difficult....if Bivol can execute a near flawless gameplan and stay resolute to it for 12 rounds i favour him to nick a decision...but Beterbiev has fight ending power to the last bell so who knows.....cracking 50/50 fight though mate eh Edited April 17 by gnasher16 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,186 Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Bivol for me as well. i think he punch’s a lot harder than people think and with both hands his constant heavy jab is sole destroying think that’s why canelo went into hay making mode plus I think betrebiev will not like his pace if it goes into the latter stages, but it’s not going to be easy he still carry’s the big leveller, nice to have a real fight to look forward to plus a decent undercard 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,466 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Great fight from Garcia 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,466 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 https://x.com/MacMallyMMA/status/1781912416252522534 Picture going to be in every Mexican barbershop 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,466 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Ryan Garcia claims he broke Devin Haney's JAW during his stunning upset win in Brooklyn as he hits back at critics who 'over-egg everything' | Daily Mail Online WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK Previously unbeaten world champion Haney was floored three times during the all-American bout in Brooklyn, New York. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,238 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 haney was always beatable lomachenko beat him and even with crooked judges refs he couldn’t beat garcia 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,090 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Tank does them both 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,466 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 12 minutes ago, mC HULL said: haney was always beatable lomachenko beat him and even with crooked judges refs he couldn’t beat garcia Garcia should have had another knockdown but ref called it a slip..Haney got the brakes beat off him by the "tik toker" !his words ..they saying Haneys jaw broken in 3 places, pinch of salt with that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,238 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said: Tank does them both id agree mate he’s already beat garcia haney lost to a smaller loma he cuts loads a weight aswell so normally always bigger he wont do out when he has to move up 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,186 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 (edited) UI,m glad Haney is been beat he was seen as some great cash cow and over protected talked up at every opportunity but struggled with linares beat by loma and still haled as a great, I also think garcia could beat tank if he fought like that but his head is his weakness has a few issues in the real world watch the interview at the end great fighter but fragile mentality, Edited April 21 by Greyman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,466 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Greyman said: UI,m glad Haney is been beat he was seen as some great cash cow and over protected talked up at every opportunity but struggled with linares beat by loma and still haled as a great, I also think garcia could beat tank if he fought like that but his head is his weakness has a few issues in the real world watch the interview at the end great fighter but fragile mentality, The apple doesn't fall far from the tree 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,238 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, Greyman said: UI,m glad Haney is been beat he was seen as some great cash cow and over protected talked up at every opportunity but struggled with linares beat by loma and still haled as a great, I also think garcia could beat tank if he fought like that but his head is his weakness has a few issues in the real world watch the interview at the end great fighter but fragile mentality, he doesn’t quite have the power in his shots haney does but you have to give him credit getting up that one we’re his legs were locked up he peeled his self off the floor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,117 Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 How did one judge score it even? Haney showed a lot of heart, but he got it all wrong, not really a fan of Garcia but used his strengths and was a deserved winner, hopefully he makes the weight for the rematch as that's a bit of a joke really 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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