Boxing At The Weekend...

[mC HULL 12,697]

frazier was tailor made for foreman 

only ever one outcome but what a fighter 

[jukel123 8,188]

6 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

frazier was tailor made for foreman 

only ever one outcome but what a fighter 

I think you are right but only at that time in Fraziers career. I think there would have  even different outcomes if they had fought when Frazier was at his best.

[mC HULL 12,697]

5 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think you are right but only at that time in Fraziers career. I think there would have  even different outcomes if they had fought when Frazier was at his best.

i think he just had a style perfect for foreman mate 

[Lenmcharristar 9,813]

6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

My ol fella used to say watching a few of Fraziers fights would bring a tear to his eye......hard to disagree really.

Marciano vs frazier whos your wages on?

[gnasher16 30,143]

20 hours ago, mC HULL said:

hasn’t it always been like this regarding big fights ? 

tyson holyfield 

bowe lewis 

tyson lewis 

vitali lewis 

takes 2 to sign 

fury is wbc champion and the money fight 

funny how wilder and fury are the best 2 in the division

usyk joshua ain’t been near em have they 

talk loads about it 

a fat unfit laid off fury jumped  at the chance to go to america and box for the wbc didn’t he ? 

short memory on some aye shaark you welsh lol

No it hasnt always been like this.....you can defend him all you like but Fury is fighting a no hoper when he could be fighting a competitive fight....one of the lads fighting on the undercard is David Adeleye....he is bigger than Ngannu,a better fighter than Ngannu,and more experienced than Ngannu.......he is not rated in the top 60 in the world yet would be a far more dangerous fight for Fury than Ngannu.......let that sink in and then try to defend Fury....its just a silly conversation to have.

[gnasher16 30,143]

19 hours ago, YOKEL said:

On more than one occasion, when I've been trying to explain "gameness" to friends who aren't familiar with the term, I will always point them in the direction of the "thriller in Manila" the conditions they fought in, temp/humidity etc, and the non stop action over 14 rounds, both men pushed themselves above and beyond. I believe Ali said that's the closest he came to dying, futch thought Joe was at genuine risk of doing just that! I've watched that fight so many times, and  If Ali was the greatest, well, ol' Joe was most definitely the gamest....

Yokel 

Its the sort of fight you leave a bit of yourself behind in my opinion.....for me neither man ever boxed at the same level again. 

[gnasher16 30,143]

19 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I remember being amazed and saddened watching  the first fight. I think Joe was caught early on on the temple. He didn't go down but I think his head was scrambled from then on. Foreman found his range so easily. Frazier didn't seem to know how to get inside and seemed to stand off him and allow Foreman dozens of free, really punishing punches.

In the second fight I think Frazier tried to learn from Ali , he backed off and stayed on the ropes a lot. He seemed to abandon his major strength...relentlessly coming forward. It didn't work, Foreman found his range again and bludgeoned Joe. 

I think some boxers are only at their best for a short time. Three or fights maybe. Joe must have taken hundreds of heavy shots not just in fights but in sparring. He wasn't the same man who fought Ali in their first fight, that's for sure.

I was a big follower of John Conteh. When he met Saad Mohammad he just seem to roll over and offered no resistance. He said himself his punch resistance had gone. He put it down to whoring and coke. I guess, as I say, some fighters shine brightly but not for long.

What's your take on the Frazier Foreman fights mate?

They were just strange performances from Frazier for me its almost like possibly the gamest man to ever enter the ring was intimidated by Foreman......not to say he wasnt game as the bagel as he didnt quit in either but he just seemed to enter the ring,move around the ring,and then eventually leave the ring with an acceptance of defeat that i never saw in any other fight he had.....im not much of a book reader so dont know all the stories etc but always wondered if anything ever came out about maybe things going on outside the ring for him at the time,or just excuses in general really........its just 2 fights ( particularly the second ) that never sat right with me really......unless of course again,maybe he'd just left too much of himself in the ring by that time.

[gnasher16 30,143]

17 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Marciano vs frazier whos your wages on?

Thats a brilliant shout that is mate.....what a match up,ive spoken to a lot of people about this over the years......it would have been an absolutely brutal affair for sure and putting era's/conditioning etc aside i think like was touched on earlier Joe's work rate,determination and willingness to go to dark places would of probably seen him outlast the Rock.......whats your view ? or anyone elses.

Edited September 12, 2023 by gnasher16

[Astanley 11,568]

39 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats a brilliant shout that is mate.....what a match up,ive spoken to a lot of people about this over the years......it would have been an absolutely brutal affair for sure and putting era's/conditioning etc aside i think like was touched on earlier Joe's work rate,determination and willingness to go to dark places would of probably seen him outlast the Rock.......whats your view ? or anyone elses.

I don't usually play that game ,but what a mouth watering fight ,couldn't for the life of me pick a winner but I'm pretty sure it would be life changing to watch .

[jukel123 8,188]

1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats a brilliant shout that is mate.....what a match up,ive spoken to a lot of people about this over the years......it would have been an absolutely brutal affair for sure and putting era's/conditioning etc aside i think like was touched on earlier Joe's work rate,determination and willingness to go to dark places would of probably seen him outlast the Rock.......whats your view ? or anyone elses.

At his peak,   Smoking Joe for me. He was a human pitbull. The more he was hit the gamer he became.

[Lenmcharristar 9,813]

2 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats a brilliant shout that is mate.....what a match up,ive spoken to a lot of people about this over the years......it would have been an absolutely brutal affair for sure and putting era's/conditioning etc aside i think like was touched on earlier Joe's work rate,determination and willingness to go to dark places would of probably seen him outlast the Rock.......whats your view ? or anyone elses.

Mine is marciano, he was the most conditioned heavy ever, both had a pit bull do or die attitude in the ring both top class and belong in the top 10 all time greats, but and its a massive BUT, marcianos power, like foremans, im afraid would ko frazier and would have him doing the chicken dance, even ali said marciano would have beaten frazier and maybe himself, again its only my opinion but what a fight it could be

[shaaark 10,831]

6 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Mine is marciano, he was the most conditioned heavy ever, both had a pit bull do or die attitude in the ring both top class and belong in the top 10 all time greats, but and its a massive BUT, marcianos power, like foremans, im afraid would ko frazier and would have him doing the chicken dance, even ali said marciano would have beaten frazier and maybe himself, again its only my opinion but what a fight it could be

Rocky balboa would beat them all, in my opinion. 

[Lenmcharristar 9,813]

Also marcianos work rate, the fighters of their days all claimed marciano never stopped punching from bell to bell

[mC HULL 12,697]

16 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Also marcianos work rate, the fighters of their days all claimed marciano never stopped punching from bell to bell

i agree mate marciano beats both frazier and ali 

[Chid 6,542]

18 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Rocky balboa would beat them all, in my opinion. 

Even fury !!!