Boxing At The Weekend...

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14 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

what boxing fan didn’t enjoy fury v wilder fights wilf ? 

unless you was one a joshua’s dianaboys jabbing yourself in ya arse while swooning over a picture of a big juiced up black man  

Did you and max attend the same comedy workshop over lockdown ?? 
 

jesus your both  about as funny as AIDS 

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21 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

what boxing fan didn’t enjoy fury v wilder fights wilf ? 

unless you was one a joshua’s dianaboys jabbing yourself in ya arse while swooning over a picture of a big juiced up black man  

I have never seen any of them fight a full bout, ever !

I have seen clips but that’s all.

Do you think we will be watching clips and re-runs of any of these fighters in 20 or 30 years like we do Frasier, Ali, Spinks, Haggler, Tyson, Bruno, Benn, Eubank, Watson and even Henry Cooper ?

I take one look at these people and have to conclude no !…..we won’t.

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10 hours ago, mC HULL said:

 

at least fury beat reigning defending champions for belts 

joshua titles were a joke in comparison 

 

Fury vs kitschko, klitschko, who practically had his arms glued to his sides the whole fight.

Sefer seferi??!!

Francesco pianeta??!!

Wilder, who can't fight, 3 times.   How the f**k he was champion? Well, more WBC poitical shenanigans again.

Yes, Magoo, top opposition and real boxing talent for fury to overcome!! 

Seriously, I keep saying this, but wilder fought NO-ONE his whole career.  And people keep bleating on about fury being the 'greatest' cos he beat wilder lol.

 

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3 hours ago, JBs Left Peg said:

Someone’s just said he hopes there’s a AJ v Usyk 3 before a Fury v Usyk unification fight

Why would any genuine boxing fan want that ffs apart from one reason

Why would any genuine boxing fan want to watch fury v wilder 3?

But, I can agree with you about people getting fed up of promoters taking the piss.

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3 hours ago, WILF said:

Are there any genuine boxing fans watching this shit any more ?

How do lads feel about this modern era of boxing ?……I used to watch boxing all the time but I have to admit I have not watched for donkeys years…….it all seems like over hyped mis matches between boxers of extremely ordinary ability ? 
 

Boxings credibility seems to have been eroded to almost nothing over the last decade or so ?

Are there any “fighters” any more ? 
 

As I say, I don’t know because I don’t watch it.

It's all getting a bit silly I think now, wilf.  But the heavyweight division is in a shambles.

Like I said a couple of weeks ago, promoters, hype, false rivalries, fiddling the rankings etc etc.

Edited September 6, 2022 by shaaark

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5 hours ago, WILF said:

Are there any genuine boxing fans watching this shit any more ?

How do lads feel about this modern era of boxing ?……I used to watch boxing all the time but I have to admit I have not watched for donkeys years…….it all seems like over hyped mis matches between boxers of extremely ordinary ability ? 
 

Boxings credibility seems to have been eroded to almost nothing over the last decade or so ?

Are there any “fighters” any more ? 
 

As I say, I don’t know because I don’t watch it.

Boxing is no different now to what it ever was Wilf truth be told.....the only real difference is the " outside of the ring " stuff now plays out in full public view because of social media etc and so you get people who know and understand next to nothing about boxing become full blown experts having never stepped in or even near a boxing ring........the arguments that used to take place behind closed doors between the likes of Duff/Astaire/Lawless/Barrett of 30/40 years ago are now there for all to see with Hearn/Warren etc and so people who shouldnt really have an opinion now have one.....as for the actual quality of fighters its neither better or worse you get good eras and bad through the different divisions.....a fight is just a fight that has never or will ever change......the only place the sport has changed really is where it doesnt matter,but theres money to be made from it.

Edited September 6, 2022 by gnasher16

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25 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Boxing is no different now to what it ever was Wilf truth be told.....the only real difference is the " out the ring " stuff now plays out in full public view because of social media etc and so you get people who know and understand next to nothing about boxing become full blown experts having never stepped in or even near a ring........the arguments that used to take place behind closed doors between the likes of Duff/Astaire/Lawless/Barrett of 30/40 years ago are now there for all to see with Hearn/Warren etc and so people who shouldnt really have an opinion have one.....as for the actual quality of fighters its neither better or worse you get good eras and bad through the different divisions.....a fight is just a fight that has never or will ever changed......the only place the sport has changed really is where it doesnt matter,but theres money to be made from it.

Thank you mate, nice to hear it from a bloke who actually laced up a pair of gloves at a decent level.

Meant to ask you how you would go about coaching an individual for something as singular as boxing…..don’t know if it’s for this thread if not but I’d be interested to hear how you would build a person physically and mentally for a fight…..especially seeing as you are a former fighter yourself.

What did you like and not like about training 

Lot of different questions there ! Lol 

Edited September 6, 2022 by WILF

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6 hours ago, JBs Left Peg said:

How old is Ortiz now

How old was Klitchko when AJ beat him and Klitch wobbled AJ

AJs a average heavyweight just admit it ffs 

He turns away from punches ‘hates getting hit .

All he was is a big bully boy who thought he was something when knocking bums out .

As soon as a man stood up and gave him some back he folded then as we seen went all menstrual .

He,s certainly above average as he defended world titles more than anyone of his era and has without doubt the best resume in the division.....is he a great no of course he isnt....but he is certainly a competitor,which is more than you can say for some..

And i totally agree when things didnt go his way he reverted to being what he is.....you can take the boy out of Africa but you cant take Africa out of the boy.

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6 hours ago, JBs Left Peg said:

Few building fights ‘ why’s he need them if his resume is that good as you say .

They all Shit scared of the real deal heavyweight Champion is your answer.

The AJ - Fast Eddie Felchers can make as many excuses as they want .

They only fooling themselfs and the divvys .

Fury beats the lot 99.9% of the time.

Only a lucky punch or dodgey officials beat Fury and I think most of his haters know it even if they won’t admit it.

No wonder people are turning to UFC in their droves and daft YouTube shite.

They sick to death of boxing promoters taking the piss.

For the same reason all fighters have filler fights to either rebuild after a defeat or pad out an unbeaten record.

I dont believe any fighter is " scared " of other men thats why some men fight and some men dont.

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13 hours ago, mC HULL said:

usyk has already shat  his pants just like joshua  

joshua taking everyone out martin parker pulev breeze ale  

at least fury beat reigning defending champions for belts 

joshua titles were a joke in comparison 

ortiz v ruiz was a cracking fight the old man ortiz take a better shot then joshua and tried to ko ruiz all fight none a that running like aj ruiz 2  

It must be so draining to have this type of hero worship Fury fans are constantly having to work things in favour of their sweetheart its embarrassing to watch....grown men besotted by other grown men whats that all about why dont you just watch sport and enjoy it for what it is ?......i must admit Fury is the first fighter ive ever known to have fans so obsessed and delusional that they just slurp up everything he says without thinking for themself.

The way Fury " fans " defend Wilders opponents and vice versa is f****n hilarious i dont know what gyms up north are like but down these parts both fighters fans for some time now have been referred to as  " The Fury Queens and the Wilderettes " ........they'll both end up in the WWF thats for sure !

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Anyone who has been round travellers long enough will know that loads of them just say shit for the shear bollocks of it……they think it’s funny coming out with any old nonsense and better still if it potentially sows the seeds of a few quid.

For Tyson fury see Joe Joyce…..all total waffle for the hell of it.

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1 minute ago, WILF said:

Anyone who has been round travellers long enough will know that loads of them just say shit for the shear bollocks of it……they think it’s funny coming out with any old nonsense and better still if it potentially sows the seeds of a few quid.

For Tyson fury see Joe Joyce…..all total waffle for the hell of it.

Mate , the WhatsApps at work were all “Tyson fury’s getting half a billion quid “ 

I said he’s say that so he’ll get 100 at best . Mental 

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

Thank you mate, nice to hear it from a bloke who actually laced up a pair of gloves at a decent level.

Meant to ask you how you would go about coaching an individual for something as singular as boxing…..don’t know if it’s for this thread if not but I’d be interested to hear how you would build a person physically and mentally for a fight…..especially seeing as you are a former fighter yourself.

What did you like and not like about training 

Lot of different questions there ! Lol 

Just to be clear mate my coaching interests and learnings these days are mainly arm wrestling focused ive never had sole responsibility for coaching any fighter,ive had decent input with a lot of young London fighters,more diet/making weight than anything else....ive taken top fighters on pads as im pretty decent at that and generally " knocked about " boxing gyms for many years but for me there should only be 1 voice in a fighters corner.....its a pet hate of mine to see different voices in a corner it just confuses fighters....just because someones holding a spit bucket shouldnt give them a voice !

I wasnt the best trainer as i had too much hunger in other areas of life but was a good solid fighter plenty of grit and toughness but very little inventiveness i could stand with you all night and wear you down on physicality but thats where i stayed when more was needed ....i was probably the opposite of what you see a lot of today,fighters who have all the silky skills but havent had their guts checked and fall apart down the line,i had all the basics but fell apart when a higher skill set was needed. 

Where boxing is different to coaching say footballers is that much of it is drill based.....repetition,repetition.repetition.....those basics have to become second nature before you can look at skill and talent.....when it comes to physically its all about strength and conditioning which is self explanatory but mentally ive always thought its important for your fighter to know who he is,yes you want a confident athlete but not over confident to where he isnt aware of his own weaknesses which all fighters have....i always think a good coach knows his fighters capabilities and doesnt try to put in too much of what nature left out but rather perfect what he does well and you step in the ring on the same page.

To me its a huge part of Joshuas downfall i think being a late developer and not a natural he has been over coached to where his preparation and tactical awareness is beyond him....the nastiness he had early in his career has been taken out   and replaced with some sense of entitlement to be " a boxer ".....no you are a nasty slugger who can put combinations together commit to what got you here.........its the way i see it but then maybe thats why im not a boxing trainer 

Edited September 6, 2022 by gnasher16

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1 hour ago, JBs Left Peg said:

AJ should be fighting

Fury

Wilder

Even Joyce

Not some nobody’s ripping more money out of fight fans.

Personally I just think you know Fury will make him look silly and dismantle your argument re AJ being something he’s not this last 5 years or so.

And who should Fury fight...nobody ?.....most sensible boxing people are totally dumbfounded as to why Fury never has to fight top level opponents,mandatories etc etc

" your argument re AJ being something he's not "....we dont all hero worship other grown men i can see exactly what Joshua is as ive seen lads like him come and go for 40 odd years at all levels of the sport stop being so childish.

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11 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Just to be clear mate my coaching interests and learnings these days are mainly arm wrestling focused ive never had sole responsibility for coaching any fighter,ive had decent input with a lot of young London fighters,more diet/making weight than anything else....ive taken top fighters on pads as im pretty decent at that and generally " knocked about " boxing gyms for many years but for me there should only be 1 voice in a fighters corner.....its a pet hate of mine to see different voices in a corner it just confuses fighters....just because someones holding a spit bucket shouldnt give them a voice !

I wasnt the best trainer as i had too much hunger in other areas of life but was a good solid fighter plenty of grit and toughness but very little inventiveness i could stand with you all night and wear you down on physicality but thats where i stayed when more was needed ....i was probably the opposite of what you see a lot of today,fighters who have all the silky skills but havent had their guts checked and fall apart down the line,i had all the basics but fell apart when a higher skill set was needed. 

Where boxing is different to coaching say footballers is that much of it is drill based.....repetition,repetition.repetition.....those basics have to become second nature before you can look at skill and talent.....when it comes to physically its all about strength and conditioning which is self explanatory but mentally ive always thought its important for your fighter to know who he is,yes you want a confident athlete but not over confident to where he isnt aware of his own weaknesses which all fighters have....i always think a good coach knows his fighters capabilities and doesnt try to put in too much of what nature left out but rather perfect what he does well and you step in the ring on the same page.

To me its a huge part of Joshuas downfall i think being a late developer and not a natural he has been over coached to where his preparation and tactical awareness is beyond him....the nastiness he had early in his career has been taken out   and replaced with some sense of entitlement to be " a boxer ".....no you are a nasty slugger who can put combinations together commit to what got you here.........its the way i see it but then maybe thats why im not a boxing trainer 

That’s a very interesting post, cheers mate.

I love hearing about all sorts of things and I know zilch about boxing or boxing gyms.

I have a massive interest in building players and I think you can learn lots from all sorts of places outside your own discipline, so thanks again

PS: I think you’d like a documentary called “The Last Dance”…..it’s about the Chicago Bulls and Micheal Jordan.

That bloke was a mentality machine….but more than that, the coach Phil Jackson is a very interesting bloke.

I know it probably wouldn’t ordinarily be your cup of tea but it’s genuinely brilliant to watch.