toblue 149 Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) As the topic starter I feel slightly responsible for the way it is going. Whilst there is no comparison as to what these two pieces of shite did to the poor creature in the video clip and any form of hunting, I can see where WILF is coming from and fair play to the guy for standing his ground when total outnumbered. Personally I never could stand any form of cruelty or unfairness and it was one of the reason I left the game. I started to look at the vixen on the receiving end of the 80lb lurcher and couldn't sleep at night. I have also been on the rack. When I was younger I was involved in quite a high profile deer poaching court case. I was always a one for despatching the deer as humanly and as quickly as possible as soon as the dogs had it I would be the first one there to make sure it was done properly. But in court and the following newspaper articles I was the one with the lust for blood, the one who couldn't wait to get in there for the kill. It is very easy for your judgement and morals to be clouded in the heat of the moment when it is your dog proving its mettle. My opinion has always been when there is an unwilling party involved it can never be fair. Is it cruel? well you need to use your own judgement on that one. My moral standard would not stand in the way of enjoying enjoying a good dog course and kill a hare. (if it were legal) I have witnessed, rubbed shoulders with or been involved in almost every kind of field sport and other sporting activities that were prevalent at the time (over 30 years ago). I have met both gentlemen and head cases who participated. Surprisingly most the gentlemen were involved in a sport that was deemed to be so cruel it was banned over a century ago. Slightly off topic but I was reading a book about an old Scottish whaler who had killed thousands of whales in his life, but one day a whale looked him in the eye as it was dying and held him inn its gaze, he said he could almost hear it asking him why, why he had done this. He never killed another whale from that day. Sadly I could see the same look in that poor bulldogs eyes. Very upsetting and can in no way be compared to any kind of hunting activity. Maybe it is time this topic was put to sleep I think we have all had our say. Edited April 2, 2016 by toblue 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Right I got that.we are all as bad as them 2 then. Your head is weird fella. I think wilf playing the devils advacate ,those views are not his but the views of a big majority of the public who would class most hunters as vile as those two fuckwits Agree with you 100% on that one Greg. Those lads who done that deserve everything that comes to them, which I doubt will be not a be lot if the truth be known. As dog lovers and hunters we have a different prospectives views and opinions that others have. I've kept terriers and lurchers for years as well as shot with rifles and shotguns, I lost count years ago of what i have shot coursed or dug to for what I call pest control sport or just giving the dogs a blow out and all legal at one time or another. My biggest critic is my own wife, in the past she has heard me rant and rave over what I deem as acts of cruelty, she is the first to say " you call other people cruel and granted they may be, yet you have brought more dogs home with torn ears ripped noses and bottom lips missing and god knows what other injuries for what? to get your own juices flowing nothing more nothing less" I let her have her rant then then the subject is dropped, and before anybody has a go at her for having her opinion, she has had made plenty of dogging men welcome here for a day out and all get fed and watered on the back of calling them them cruel sods, which gets laughed off by most lol. I have travelled miles to run dogs and dig and not for pest control but for no other reason to work the dogs. So in the words of the public, our worst enemy, when I travel miles to enter a terrier and it gets smashed up by a fox laid up minding its own business I am doing that for what most on here enjoying doing for their own pass times and get branded a cruel bsaratd. But for me what those two did was blatant abuse and cruel. Let the police and Rspca deal with it and earn their wages just like they do when they persecute us. A big long winded way to say I agree with what Wilf has been saying. ATB lads enjoy what you are doing while we still can. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevo79 569 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Personally I'm not a fan of all this "whip up a frenzy" type crap on social or national media........the RSPCA could release footage of a terrier after a particularly brutal dig and have 65,000 people saying exactly the same about any of us. They got nicked, they got sentenced and that's enough........as I say, there would be plenty hoping anyone here got a good beating. Difference is that dog would have enjoyed every minute. Sometimes it's just not right to sit on the fence. I hope somebody kicks them up and down the street. Often!!! Aye what these wee cnuts done was prolonged, cruel and needless.I don't think a terrier after a dig is the same as slinging one down the stairs umpteen times. Really!!Depends on the terrier and its opponent really doesn't it.Not really. Depends on the man handling the terrier and his reasons for putting it against its opponent. Which again comes down to human crueltyI can't have a debate with someone who thinks throwing a fog downstairs is on par with terrier work sorry mate.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toblue 149 Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Great post Delswal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TAXI DRIVER 549 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Fact - The two are a pair of c---s for what they did and everyone here agrees. Fact - Everyone here thinks they got off lightly. Fact - There are a lot worse things happening in our country every day. Fact - Some lads here need to CALM THE F--K DOWN. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,611 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 No one condones what these lads have done but i have to agree with wilf your dancing with the devil getting involved with a socia media witch hunt ....Social media controlling social justice is not the way forward imo but a very scary prospect . 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lloyd90 509 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Made me feel sick and put a teer in my eye ? Couldn't watch more than a few seconds!! Absolute scum of the earth! They should be culled! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,916 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 No one condones what these lads have done but i have to agree with wilf your dancing with the devil getting involved with a socia media witch hunt ....Social media controlling social justice is not the way forward imo but a very scary prospect . well any twat , that throws a dog down the stairs 2-3times, then gouges it eye out , need what ever rspca , police etc needs to get at them. working a dog pre ban on fox ,deer, hare, rabbit as nothing what so ever to with this case, hunting is hunting legal or not, and for anybody to think different, maybe its about time i left this web site then, and join a more normal site with like minded people .!! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Ain't actualy watched the clip,...but, I've a fair idea how the script goes... Facts are,...some guys are just not right,..they were born bad,..and will die bad..... Hunting can also be a cruel old game, there is no denying it,...so, as normal folk, we have to try to be as slick at it, as we can.. Like others, I think back over the years, and sometimes feel regret,...but,.within seconds,.this sadness and meloncoly quickly disipates and I feel that everything that has occured, was meant to be... As I get older, I try to find other things to take the place of hunting/mouching,...but,..the hunt always draws me back,...nothing can replace it,...and of late I have learned to stop stressing, and instead, accept my fate... Downright cruelty,.. sick and wicked behaviour, towards a helpless critter,...has nothing to do with a man's instinct to hunt... Bad luck to perpetrayors of such evil deeds,...may they reep what they sow... 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,800 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Kill it quick, kill it clean, animal torture should have no place in any (hunting) man's actions. These scumbags certainly deserve a greater sentence than they got but what's else do you expect in this day and age? You'd get more for a racist comment ffs Having said that I would wholeheartedly agree with torturing terrorists to extract information but my moral compass is OK with that Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 No one condones what these lads have done but i have to agree with wilf your dancing with the devil getting involved with a socia media witch hunt ....Social media controlling social justice is not the way forward imo but a very scary prospect . well any twat , that throws a dog down the stairs 2-3times, then gouges it eye out , need what ever rspca , police etc needs to get at them. working a dog pre ban on fox ,deer, hare, rabbit as nothing what so ever to with this case, hunting is hunting legal or not, and for anybody to think different, maybe its about time i left this web site then, and join a more normal site with like minded people .!! I don't think anybody on here has compared what those two idiots done to hunting in any way shape or form. Wilf mentioned social media sites and the frenzy that they can stir up, I will use my self as an example. I have in the past used my terrier to locate lost shot Roe, But the terrier in question wether the Roe was dead or alive would always grab the Roe by the neck and lay on it until I got there. Now if joe public or anybody else had been around with a camera and got a shot of that and posted it online and started a petition against me, I bet it would be pounced on with thousands of negative cruel comments even though everything is legal and above board. The general public have opinions, and unfortunately their opinions of cruelty seem to fall right into the laps of the powers to be, and like it or not anybody working terriers or runnings dogs in their eyes are cruel. Keep away from social media sites lads, they are the biggest weapon the rspca police and anti's have against us. Now back to them two retards, maybe if somebody introduced them to a 70lb personal protection shepherd and gave them the opportunity to throw that around for 10 minutes or so, karma may just come back to bite them in the ass so to speak. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevo79 569 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 No one condones what these lads have done but i have to agree with wilf your dancing with the devil getting involved with a socia media witch hunt ....Social media controlling social justice is not the way forward imo but a very scary prospect . well any twat , that throws a dog down the stairs 2-3times, then gouges it eye out , need what ever rspca , police etc needs to get at them. working a dog pre ban on fox ,deer, hare, rabbit as nothing what so ever to with this case, hunting is hunting legal or not, and for anybody to think different, maybe its about time i left this web site then, and join a more normal site with like minded people .!! ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,364 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I can see both sides of the argument, I'd kick the seven shades of shit out that pair, but I'm not about to lend the rspca my support because as has been said it could well be a legitimate hunter next. This pair of scrotes are just the here and now. Anyone thinks different, stick a video up of a dog catching ferreted rabbits or a legal bit of fox control, you will be considered the same as this pair by the majority of people signing that petition. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,539 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 id like five minutes with the pair of cu,ts id chop there hands and feet of Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I can see both sides of the argument, I'd kick the seven shades of shit out that pair, but I'm not about to lend the rspca my support because as has been said it could well be a legitimate hunter next. This pair of scrotes are just the here and now. Anyone thinks different, stick a video up of a dog catching ferreted rabbits or a legal bit of fox control, you will be considered the same as this pair by the majority of people signing that petition. Well put mate....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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