Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) One thing I've learnt off this forum, if/when I take a litter from one of mine, I won't announce the plans on here Why anyone feels they need to tell the world on these forums what they get up always amazes me... I think it's because it's nice when like minded folk have got an interest in what you are doing. They ask questions and offer ideas etc. But you often get more negative responses than positive on here, regardless of what you are doing or how you are doing it. This is the nature of the Beast,..t'Internet... It is great to be around like-minded souls,..just as long as they truly are, like-minded and not simply critics....Breeding from seemingly, untested young canines , has always been a contentious subject and in an ideal world, we would all choose to up our odds and try to go for a definite winning combo....Sadly, in the real world, life ain't like that.... You can lose,..way before, you choose,..and I've learn't to go with a gut feeling when breeding lurchers...If you have faith in the end result,..then bite the bullet, go for it and be damned... I learn't, five decades ago,.that what a man chooses to keep,.or wishes to hunt,.is entirely a matter for his own conscience...he has to feed the critter,...end of story... By the same token, it is comforting to know, that good advice is readily available on Hunting Forums,...and the fact is,..what with all the literature, DVD's and well documented knowledge, that is free of charge nowadays, there really is no excuse for being a c**t... Edited March 31, 2016 by Phil Lloyd 5 Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 The only problem I see is with so many breeds in the pups, you've no idea what they'll turn out like, people these days don't understand simple genetics Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Is that in reference to me? Anytime you fancy a talk about genetics let me know Quote Link to post
Chid 6,518 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Is that in reference to me? Anytime you fancy a talk about genetics let me know 1 Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Sorry, I didn't know genetics only works in producing lurchers and not other animals, my mistake...... and chid you're a gonk, heard of any more Wheatons becoming champions lol Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 And sight hound. ...... how can you expect a even litter off mongrels? They'll be some throwing more to one breed than others..... simply breeding worker to worker isn't enough, there's a reason most hybrid animals aren't bred off, generally anything more than 3 different breeds in a animal is going to throw all sorts of variables 1 Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Genetics applies to most things,not just lurchers and running dogs.... you don't have to even have a dog to understand it, if you understand the basics it's quite easy to apply it to all animals 2 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Game rooster, you're on a lurcher forum telling us how easy it is to apply the basics of genetics to working lurchers. I will have a 26" bitch please, strong built but also capable of running all quarry preban, must like the sharp end but also be capable of retrieving smaller quarry live to hand and have good concentration skills for a days ferreting. Good feet, good coat and a good nose are also essential. The bitch must be steady around the home and the kennel, as happy in the pub on a Sunday as in the field on a Monday. And above all she must be able to produce pups as good as her. Let me know when you have mastered the basics. Good money waiting ? 3 Quote Link to post
Barbarian1990 220 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 How have people found collie greyhound x bull greyhounds are like listening to other people? My old dog was brilliant with me but when my mum took him to the far he wouldn't listen to her or if my dad tried to get him off sofa he just ignored him. ? Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Aye I'll have 2 aswell, maybe 23/24 ats tho and preferably fawn and rough coated lol I forgot about colour. I will take a fawn too, rough coat or that thick wheaten type coat. I aren't fussy ? Quote Link to post
the trunk 2,859 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Reason I ask is I ve always run Bullgreyhound s and love the cross but I always wanted that quick take off and stamina. I have a half cross bitch about me that is game as they come but would love to have her drive with more pace. I was concerned that a collie cross over her would lose the drive so to speak. How do u find urs compared to the bull crosses with no collie hes out of a 1/2 greyhound 1/4 bull 1/4 collie to a full greyhound he works out 1/8 1/8 3/4 greyhound i put him to a a 3/8bull bitch an thats what his pups from . i found hes a better lifting dog than the bull cross dogs av seen he knows when to strike when not to gets tight in behind stuff and very hard to shake him he would lift 9 out of 10 foxes you would slip him at but he defo has the drive you would want. if am out on my own i wouldnt need a lead on him stays just infront of you very smart dog on the lamp 1 Quote Link to post
Trev70 5,185 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) That dog of Lloydys has been grafted hard & tested he's probably done as much as most dogs who have 4or5 seasons on him atb Flacko I think some people get too hung up on age. It's generally okay for a man to breed his 4 year old bitch, rarely would he be questioned how many shifts she has put in. But in reality that dog might have been out once or twice a week during the winter for 3 seasons. But the man who's got a 2 year old dog which has been out 5/6/7 days a week plus nights gets shot down. One thing I've learnt off this forum, if/when I take a litter from one of mine, I won't announce the plans on here I can't see the problem with what as been said it's only what the man him self said few weeks ago and still stands by it. So I guess the rest think it's ok to breed a litter of bull x pups out of a bull x that as been catching rabbits for a season. 15 year ago this was the x I worked all over the country and breed a few litters of them but I would never of done this but I guess times must of changed lol. Edited March 31, 2016 by Trev70 Quote Link to post
Flacko 1,744 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Interesting thread this one, everyone got a opinion but not everyone listens. Atb Flacko ps good luck to anyone trying to improve what they got. 3 Quote Link to post
gamerooster 1,179 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Gaz, the fact you think all that's possible in just one breeding makes me realise you're not worth bothering with, and tbh most of what you've stated is down to the handler or experience of the dog. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to there own level and beat you with experience, so with that in mind, I'm out 2 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Gaz, the fact you think all that's possible in just one breeding makes me realise you're not worth bothering with, and tbh most of what you've stated is down to the handler or experience of the dog. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to there own level and beat you with experience, so with that in mind, I'm out The fact that you just massively contradicted yourself makes me realise you ain't got a fecking clue what you are waffling on about. Either it's not possible with one breeding, or it is possible and it's down to the handler and experience... Which is it buddy? Quote Link to post
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