foxtrotoscar 35 Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Quote Link to post
kenj 131 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 The manufacturers have obviously given up, leaving quality control to the shooter. While zeroing my CZ452 on a paper target recently, I had a slow fire, the bullet hitting 2 inches below the bull at 100 yards. That's the difference between a dead rabbit, or a wounded one. There was a fine crack that ran back to the neck of the case. This hadn't shown up on my earlier inspection. These were Hornady red tips. Quote Link to post
slipper 116 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Thats the difference between hitting a fox between the eyes or shooting it in the jaw which is why I said ages ago I'll never use hmr for charlie again 1 Quote Link to post
foxtrotoscar 35 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 The manufacturers have obviously given up, leaving quality control to the shooter. While zeroing my CZ452 on a paper target recently, I had a slow fire, the bullet hitting 2 inches below the bull at 100 yards. That's the difference between a dead rabbit, or a wounded one. There was a fine crack that ran back to the neck of the case. This hadn't shown up on my earlier inspection. These were Hornady red tips. I would agree! I complained to Hornady via their website and after some pretty rude emails from the yanks my emails got forwarded through to the UK supplier. They rang and left a message on my landline. I contacted him back via email and never heard back again! Pretty fed up with it all as I'm sure many of us are. I really enjoy using my HMR as it's got advantages over the LR and not all the ground local to me is suitable for C/F, plus rabbits don't warrant C/F. I use mine at least five evening a week, so get through a fair amount of rounds for it. I've lost the will to keep complaining to the RFD as they are not the problem and have replaced dodgy boxes in the past FOC. From my point of view there isnt anything to replace the HMR, so I'm stuck with crap ammo and customer service from EB. 1 Quote Link to post
kenj 131 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Having had two HMR bullets stuck in the bore, which also meant two wasted rabbit shooting sessions, fuel, time, etc, I have switched back to almost exclusive use of my Magtech .22 lr semi auto, only taking the HMR to the big open field permissions. After every slow fire of the HMR, if I don't see a hit, I take out the bolt and check the bore. With plenty of rabbits about this year for the .22 lr, the other sites are being neglected. The HMR is a great tool for those long range rabbits, but the ammo is unreliable, even when checked by eye. I found this blog on the subject. http://www.urbanfieldsportsman.com/index.php/cz452-hmr-festive-rabbit-hunt-ends-with-a-damp-squib/ Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! Quote Link to post
foxtrotoscar 35 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Dsc01241a.jpg Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! No they don't or I'd have mentioned it. TBH I don't crawl around in the undergrowth looking for spent cartridges so I have no idea how many split during the firing process. Again since sorting out the split rounds when buying ammo I've not had a problem. The RFD and myself think these pre spilt rounds allow dampness to enter causing the hangfires and the squib rounds. One can be seen in the photo after being rammed out the barrel, the others are from the batch of boxes shown having split cases and rejected by myself What happens to the case post firing is of no concern to me. Edited June 3, 2016 by foxtrotoscar Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Dsc01241a.jpg Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! No they don't or I'd have mentioned it. TBH I don't crawl around in the undergrowth looking for spent cartridges so I have no idea how many split during the firing process. Again since sorting out the split rounds when buying ammo I've not had a problem. The RFD and myself think these pre spilt rounds allow dampness to enter causing the hangfires and the squib rounds. One can be seen in the photo after being rammed out the barrel, the others are from the batch of boxes shown having split cases and rejected by myself What happens to the case post firing is of no concern to me. As kenj mentioned he has, so I guess its only a matter of time. Ok, your landowners, and its down to you, but as a matter of general courtesy and respect I collect as many empties as possible, regardless of calibre. That doesn't mean grovelling in undergrowth all the time! Edited June 3, 2016 by Deker Quote Link to post
foxtrotoscar 35 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Dsc01241a.jpg Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! No they don't or I'd have mentioned it. TBH I don't crawl around in the undergrowth looking for spent cartridges so I have no idea how many split during the firing process. Again since sorting out the split rounds when buying ammo I've not had a problem. The RFD and myself think these pre spilt rounds allow dampness to enter causing the hangfires and the squib rounds. One can be seen in the photo after being rammed out the barrel, the others are from the batch of boxes shown having split cases and rejected by myself What happens to the case post firing is of no concern to me. Ok, your landowners, and its down to you, but as a matter of general courtesy and respect I collect as many empties as possible, regardless of calibre. That doesn't mean grovelling in undergrowth all the time! I suspected that old chestnut may appear.. Never had a complaint from all eleven landowners I shoot for to date. Two of them put tonnes and tonnes of human crap onto the land and plough it in so I doubt a few rimfire cases will upset them. Only time I've heard mention of spent rounds is requests for fibre wads to be used in the shotgun in the sheep grazing areas. Edited June 4, 2016 by foxtrotoscar Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Dsc01241a.jpg Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! No they don't or I'd have mentioned it. TBH I don't crawl around in the undergrowth looking for spent cartridges so I have no idea how many split during the firing process. Again since sorting out the split rounds when buying ammo I've not had a problem. The RFD and myself think these pre spilt rounds allow dampness to enter causing the hangfires and the squib rounds. One can be seen in the photo after being rammed out the barrel, the others are from the batch of boxes shown having split cases and rejected by myself What happens to the case post firing is of no concern to me. I agree with the dampness theory I have always stored my .17 and .22 ammo together with one of those large moister absorbing bags and replace with a dried bag on a regular basis and I have never had a problem with slow burn or part burn cartridge. 1 Quote Link to post
foxtrotoscar 35 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 I've had split cases and slow fires with all makes, although I've had two stuck in the barrel with Remmingtons. I sort through each new box for hairline cracks, usually finding two, or three and still get slow fires. Recently I've had problems with Hornady Remington and Winchester. I've had several hangfires (less than half a second) and one squib round (stuck in the barrel) Not good. I checked 300 rounds and 28 were split cases! 10%. I check every box now and discard roughly 10% which is f****** annoying but no problems since starting to check each round. Dsc01241a.jpg Plenty split during firing, so I take it they don't give you a problem! No they don't or I'd have mentioned it. TBH I don't crawl around in the undergrowth looking for spent cartridges so I have no idea how many split during the firing process. Again since sorting out the split rounds when buying ammo I've not had a problem. The RFD and myself think these pre spilt rounds allow dampness to enter causing the hangfires and the squib rounds. One can be seen in the photo after being rammed out the barrel, the others are from the batch of boxes shown having split cases and rejected by myself What happens to the case post firing is of no concern to me. I agree with the dampness theory I have always stored my .17 and .22 ammo together with one of those large moister absorbing bags and replace with a dried bag on a regular basis and I have never had a problem with slow burn or part burn cartridge. That's a good practice! Problem i had was the ammo was new, so probably stored for some time in the RFD or where ever. Difficult to know what's going on. Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 My money's on damp powder probably all down to how ammo is stored. Quote Link to post
kenj 131 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I store mine in the gunbox attached to the outside wall of my warm modern house and still get slow burners. Quote Link to post
goldfinger 135 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I store mine in the gunbox attached to the outside wall of my warm modern house and still get slow burners. Could it not be were they were stored before you purchased them IMO?. Quote Link to post
WoodsmanJim 160 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 FoxtrotOscar - can I ask how you dispose of the dud if you don't shoot them? genuine question as I'm getting 17hmr soon and will be checking all the ammo I buy after hearing some horror stories like the ones in this thread! Do your return them to your RFD for disposal? or there there some easy way to render them safe without having to fire them? Cheers Quote Link to post
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