Why Is It Labeled Such A Bad Crime ?

[forest of dean redneck 11,606]

You start hitting farmers in pockets they going to moan, the antis will gee them on ,and the police will like the crime solved results.

you start driving through fencing, killing stock,leaving deer dead in fields ,stealing dead stock,derv ,threating farmers and their wives.

and also leaving dogs injured or just abandoned that then have to fend for theirselves what do you expect,add that to the yoofs that set their dogs on anything with a pulse and the lurcher owner is now regarded less than in the old days.

[roybo 2,873]

I think coursing clubs would work,if they were inclusive ,rather than being exclusive.

Problem is with such clubs they would become the coursing elite and want ordinary lads not to take "their hares".

Coursing by licence won't stop any illegal taking of hares,as it happens now without clubs ,you'd get illegal and legal taking of hares.

Lads who drive fields and wreck property will still do the same ,whether taking a hare is legal under certain conditions or not.

Lots still coursed without permission before the ban and got done under different laws.

The problem is when something is a bit naughty it attracts the thrill seekers ,that do it for the buzz rather than the sport.

[Saluki246 1,053]

Coz like all walks of life you get the idiots and arseholes, and unfortunately we all get tarred with the same brush,

 

 

there is actually a word for it its called propaganda pal

 

Propaganda is the spreading of information in support of a cause. It’s not so important whether the information is true or false or if the cause is just or not

 

The word propaganda is often used in a negative sense, especially for politicians who make false claims to get elected or spread rumors to get their way. In fact, any campaign that is used to persuade can be called propaganda

 

 

Thing that Stuck out for me was they all Said CARS driving across the land. Their not COURSERS there CHANCERS & as already said give all Lurcher owners a bad name. Atb

 

 

You all paint a rosy picture,damaged crops ,dead stock ,anything not tied down stolen pregnant does and leverets coursed spring and summer that's why coursing has a bad name.

 

 

If this was still legal and it was honest guys hunting hares in a fair way with permission then there would be no propaganda/publicity. 9/10 the hares are the least of the farmers worries. It's the problems that come with the majority of scumbags that don't respect anything. There's decent folk out there that lived for coursing and respected everything that went with it, including their quarry. I don't blame any farmer who calls the police as I have seen first hand the damaged caused, not to mention the farm equipment that goes missing. The fact is that these people who trash land, gates, worry stock and abuse the people who own them should not be labelled as hare coursers.....because they are not.

 

Thats it really. I don't hunt in gangs and bet high money, i don't retaliate against farmers, i respect whos land i am on, i eat what my dog use to catch, if not, the dogs eat them, one more thing, i think this macho image of whos dog is the best ect ect, does not do it any good. !

Dogs get run till they jack is another bad stroke against it, why cant most be happy with a run or 2 and finish at that ? I know its easier said then done, but look where we are now...

[arcticgun 4,548]

Who buys all the stolen farm machinery ( don't know many coursers with tneir own farms, that's even assuming they stole it in first place and not just a handy target for lazy police forces who can't detect who cruelly stole them or target the buyers

Edited March 25, 2016 by arcticgun

[white van man 3,310]

Who buys all the stolen farm machinery ( don't know many coursers with tneir own farms, that's even assuming they stole it in first place and not just a handy target for lazy police forces who can't detect who cruelly stole them or target the buyers

It's big business. Although as scum as they may be, some of these gangs haven't got the brains to open a gate let alone move on farm machinery. Most equipment is stripped down and sold as parts/spares. Some is shipped all over the world. These guys normally have a snoop about and then go back later on.

[nans pat 2,575]

I think coursing clubs would work,if they were inclusive ,rather than being exclusive.

Problem is with such clubs they would become the coursing elite and want ordinary lads not to take "their hares".

Coursing by licence won't stop any illegal taking of hares,as it happens now without clubs ,you'd get illegal and legal taking of hares.

Lads who drive fields and wreck property will still do the same ,whether taking a hare is legal under certain conditions or not.

Lots still coursed without permission before the ban and got done under different laws.

The problem is when something is a bit naughty it attracts the thrill seekers ,that do it for the buzz rather than the sport.

coursing clubs here are at that oul lark its their hares even if we are on permission,

[artic 595]

The first video doesn't come to any surprise. There were a lot of statements made that were very inaccurate, I'm not going to get into that today. What I will comment about is that your general dog person isn't bothered about what's parked up in the barns or forecourts. Most farmers that I know of play poor, fact.... They moan about fixing a hinge on a 5 bar gate, having to buy a new pair of wellies, yet they will go and spend £20k on a discovery or pick up. They own more than one house which is usually rented off and id say rented in a dreadful state. Why on earth don't they spend their money on securing their tools, diesel, trailers and tractors. I can assure you that it's not always (very few) the dog men/woman who run hares or daytime deer are committing those burglaries, I'd say it's more of the other kind who know little English.

 

The police are wasting resources and money each time these crimes (Hare Coursing, attending Hunts) occur, however they need to attend as its a crime that's been allowed through government which has to be policed. A change in law would help, but for now and the near future it will remain as it is...

[desertbred 5,490]

Hare coursing is about pitting a dog be it specialist bred or just a juckel against a hare in its natural environment. Coursing has always been to me a in the moment natural activity, you can slip the dog on sighted quarry or the dog will in most cases find its own quarry. The sport element is the part where the activity becomes organised rather than a man and his dog, the videoing and photography aspects are some peoples ways to preserve for posterity the activity, II feel that the publication of such things is detrimental to the activity especially when its accompanied with 3/4 or 5/5 and plastered all over public forums. What ever activity you do with your dogs should not be one of the reasons that the lacs or antis, depict us as scum of the earth and the laws of the land want to take away a country activity that has been there pre Doomsday book.

Some one once asked Bill Shankly was football a matter of life and death he replied " No its much more important than that" The same can be said of hunting and coursing to some folk, it was a way of feeding family and self before Tesco and Asda and even the laws to restrict hunting to the Gentry at the time of the Magna Carta led to country folk continuing all be it poaching and some even losing their lives to the Gallows or transportation to the colonies for catching a rabbit. History and tradition cant be erased but common sense should prevail and be careful what is publicised if we want the traditions to continue for future generations,

[Flynn 314]

When You look back, why was Hare Coursing and Stag Hunting banned, ? I have done both, Stag Hunting by far the softest of targets to ban.

 

Hare Coursing, did we not hear ' 5 out of 5 dog? 7 out of 7 dog? ( not me i hasten to add, just a couple of tiny tropies to My name ) did we loose sight that its the test of the dog against the Hare? the chase!

 

Was it at that point, we shot ourselves in the foot, spouting our dogs kills? maybe or maybe not, but i often question that fact, sadly whatever You think Hare Coursing was banned more than likely because it too was a soft target.

 

But look at the Lurcher its self, the genuine Coursing fraternity care/ d, about the breeding of thier dogs lines, out breeding/ line breeding , long pedigrees to boot, etc, forever striving for the perfect coursing dog. once they found one line that suited, if they bred a litter they would gift them , NOT sell them on for some vast amount.

 

 

But here we are some years on, what has changed, poaching has increased , because of the ban

 

The wild life officers are now trained by antis.

Hounding the honest and genuine lurcher owner to death, some folk cannot even step out of the door before one shows up....

 

Cue the rogue element, the ones who do drive over land, cause criminal damage, drive OVER thier dogs, when they deem them unsuitable. leave them half dead.

 

Conduct Your self with honest , be polite, speak kindly to land owners where ever You meet them, because to them we need to gain back some much needed trust.

 

 

The best we can do for now, is distance oursleves from this rogue element.

 

Dont Check in on Your phone when Your going out and dont post such idiotic posts on social media.

 

None of the above is me wearing my secretary hat just my thoughts.

 

But with tha Hat firmly back on, lets keep trying to repeal this idotic ban and return the status quo , so the Younger generations can carry on.

[Saluki246 1,053]

Hare coursing is about pitting a dog be it specialist bred or just a juckel against a hare in its natural environment. Coursing has always been to me a in the moment natural activity, you can slip the dog on sighted quarry or the dog will in most cases find its own quarry. The sport element is the part where the activity becomes organised rather than a man and his dog, the videoing and photography aspects are some peoples ways to preserve for posterity the activity, II feel that the publication of such things is detrimental to the activity especially when its accompanied with 3/4 or 5/5 and plastered all over public forums. What ever activity you do with your dogs should not be one of the reasons that the lacs or antis, depict us as scum of the earth and the laws of the land want to take away a country activity that has been there pre Doomsday book.

Some one once asked Bill Shankly was football a matter of life and death he replied " No its much more important than that" The same can be said of hunting and coursing to some folk, it was a way of feeding family and self before Tesco and Asda and even the laws to restrict hunting to the Gentry at the time of the Magna Carta led to country folk continuing all be it poaching and some even losing their lives to the Gallows or transportation to the colonies for catching a rabbit. History and tradition cant be erased but common sense should prevail and be careful what is publicised if we want the traditions to continue for future generations,

 

 

When You look back, why was Hare Coursing and Stag Hunting banned, ? I have done both, Stag Hunting by far the softest of targets to ban.

 

Hare Coursing, did we not hear ' 5 out of 5 dog? 7 out of 7 dog? ( not me i hasten to add, just a couple of tiny tropies to My name ) did we loose sight that its the test of the dog against the Hare? the chase!

 

Was it at that point, we shot ourselves in the foot, spouting our dogs kills? maybe or maybe not, but i often question that fact, sadly whatever You think Hare Coursing was banned more than likely because it too was a soft target.

 

But look at the Lurcher its self, the genuine Coursing fraternity care/ d, about the breeding of thier dogs lines, out breeding/ line breeding , long pedigrees to boot, etc, forever striving for the perfect coursing dog. once they found one line that suited, if they bred a litter they would gift them , NOT sell them on for some vast amount.

 

 

But here we are some years on, what has changed, poaching has increased , because of the ban

 

The wild life officers are now trained by antis.

Hounding the honest and genuine lurcher owner to death, some folk cannot even step out of the door before one shows up....

 

Cue the rogue element, the ones who do drive over land, cause criminal damage, drive OVER thier dogs, when they deem them unsuitable. leave them half dead.

 

Conduct Your self with honest , be polite, speak kindly to land owners where ever You meet them, because to them we need to gain back some much needed trust.

 

 

The best we can do for now, is distance oursleves from this rogue element.

 

Dont Check in on Your phone when Your going out and dont post such idiotic posts on social media.

 

None of the above is me wearing my secretary hat just my thoughts.

 

But with tha Hat firmly back on, lets keep trying to repeal this idotic ban and return the status quo , so the Younger generations can carry on.

 

:thumbs:

[cocker 2,654]

trouble is there was a lot of clubs before the ban all for pure running dog breeds and lurchers, a lot of lurcher lads were not members of any clubs, all them clubs there was pre 2005 couldn't stop the ban, to late for clubs now the damage has been done by the labour government, the job is f****d, best off just doing your own thing and keeping your head down, its the only way now, camerons pathetic efforts did not come to fruition, and he's got to much other shit on his plate now, and he's not coming back for reelection, legal coursing is dead and gone

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

When You look back, why was Hare Coursing and Stag Hunting banned, ? I have done both, Stag Hunting by far the softest of targets to ban.

 

Hare Coursing, did we not hear ' 5 out of 5 dog? 7 out of 7 dog? ( not me i hasten to add, just a couple of tiny tropies to My name ) did we loose sight that its the test of the dog against the Hare? the chase!

 

Was it at that point, we shot ourselves in the foot, spouting our dogs kills? maybe or maybe not, but i often question that fact, sadly whatever You think Hare Coursing was banned more than likely because it too was a soft target.

 

But look at the Lurcher its self, the genuine Coursing fraternity care/ d, about the breeding of thier dogs lines, out breeding/ line breeding , long pedigrees to boot, etc, forever striving for the perfect coursing dog. once they found one line that suited, if they bred a litter they would gift them , NOT sell them on for some vast amount.

 

 

But here we are some years on, what has changed, poaching has increased , because of the ban

 

The wild life officers are now trained by antis.

Hounding the honest and genuine lurcher owner to death, some folk cannot even step out of the door before one shows up....

 

Cue the rogue element, the ones who do drive over land, cause criminal damage, drive OVER thier dogs, when they deem them unsuitable. leave them half dead.

 

Conduct Your self with honest , be polite, speak kindly to land owners where ever You meet them, because to them we need to gain back some much needed trust.

 

 

The best we can do for now, is distance oursleves from this rogue element.

 

Dont Check in on Your phone when Your going out and dont post such idiotic posts on social media.

 

None of the above is me wearing my secretary hat just my thoughts.

 

But with tha Hat firmly back on, lets keep trying to repeal this idotic ban and return the status quo , so the Younger generations can carry on.

Fantastic post ?

[Allan P 1,150]

I don't agree cocker, I'm sure there's lots going on behind the scenes that we don't realise ,but what we do need is everyone pulling in the same direction. I can understand where your coming from but I don't think it's time to roll over just yet. If the ban doesn't get lifted then hunting will become a lot harder than it is now and keeping your head down and doing your own thing might not even work for you.

[Bo Duke 420]

Regardless what you do ie (this morning whilst on way to work I stopped and helped a ewe in distress in lamb deliver, I even waited for farmer to show up he was very thankful etc and asked how I knew what to do etc I said it's not exactly rocket science and not a million miles from delivering pups, he then asked what dogs I had, and me being shirt and tie he was surprised when I said lurchers and terrier, and asked him not to tar us all with same brush, he then said he'd had a bad experience with Lurcher lads and more or less once bitten twice shy, did however give me permission to ferret, and use air rifle although I'm not really into that...

I did something similar a few weeks back and gained another farm.

 

Good to see you back posting Ross I was worried about you. I kept that pup here that you wanted for two months but sadly I had to let it go because I never heard back from you sorry about that.

[Caravan Monster 323]

I remember reading an article written by John Mccririck (then Racing Post Coursing Correspondent, now better known as celebrity tw4t) in a large old book about lurchers. He discussed how in the late sixties, the then fledgling anti movement tactically focused their efforts on organised greyhound coursing because so few people were directly involved and they felt they had a better chance of getting hunting banned by going up against the small group before moving on to the bigger target of mounted packs. I think this is probably the origins of the word 'coursing' gaining it's 'nasty' connotations in the media and general public consciousness.

 

Going on from there, the general public will just accept stopping coursing as a primary objective of a police unit. The media tells them 'coursing is bad' and it has been taken as 'fact' for several decades by the general public. The police get another source of funding for generous remuneration packages and fancy landrovers, media companies get paid to make films about it, and the small bunch of eccentrics who will risk wildly disproportionate punishments to run their dogs are ignored by everyone.