Evolution Of The Bunny Vs Evolution Of Rabbit Dog

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

I've allways been under the impression that the greyhound is that fastest dog in the world

The whippet is the second.

And the whippet is the fastest accelerating dog in the world.

I can't agree with that King mate.

Both my lurchers are out with whippets regular and never get left behind. The brindle bitch is exceptionally quick. No fancy breeding just a 24" lurcher. But she beats the whippets A to B regardless of the distance. They just haven't got the leg to stick with her.

Even a standing start over say 30yds gaz.

I must be wrong mate.

Standing start over any distance mate.

 

Maybe quicker strike if stood next to a hole when rabbit bolts but that's about it.

[matt1979 766]

It is a bit of falicy how quick whippets are in my eyes any decent racy bred lurcher will outpace one even over short distances. But then lurchers are generally considerably bigger than a whippet in fairness I am not knocking whippets I own a whippety lurcher, but against larger lurchers he gets left behind. That said he is plenty quick enough for the bunnies, fits in the boot, eats less, shites smaller and attracts less attention atb

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

It is a bit of falicy how quick whippets are in my eyes any decent racy bred lurcher will outpace one even over short distances. But then lurchers are generally considerably bigger than a whippet in fairness I am not knocking whippets I own a whippety lurcher, but against larger lurchers he gets left behind. That said he is plenty quick enough for the bunnies, fits in the boot, eats less, shites smaller and attracts less attention atb

Cracking post and a good summary.

 

Like you say, plenty for bunnys, fit in the foot well and eat next to nothing.

 

But to compare them to a 23"-25" racey lurcher is madness in my opinion.

[Neal 1,873]

Re using a dingo to breed a lurcher...there is genetic evidence that the average kelpie has a "decent" amount of dingo blood running through its veins, as do heelers which have also been used to produce lurchers. Don't ask me to quantify "decent" though! Apologies for that...I get a nervous tick if I post on here without using the word "kelpie" at least once!

 

Re wolves catching hares as opposed to salukis etc catching them (or alternatively foxes catching rabbits as opposed to whippets, lurchers etc catching them)...the thing we often forget is that every time our dog misses we're standing behind it tutting and keeping a mental tally of how it's doing. Conversely, a wolf or fox has nobody other than Mother Nature doing that. On one hand you could say that they may miss dozens before they catch but that it doesn't matter as they only need that one. On the other hand you may say if they don't have a decent ratio they won't get to pass on their genes. Also, a wolf or fox is allowed to "play dirty" rather than give "fair law." Personally, I'm happy for my dogs to play dirty too!

 

Re whippets vs greyhounds in breeding lurchers...I'm no expert, but I always felt that a whippet was better over a short distance whereas a greyhound was better over a longer distance (a little over simplified I know) and you're choice of which one to use should be partly dictated by how far the rabbits in your neck of the woods run. Mine go hop, hop, down the hole so I rarely get a long run (which leads me back to playing dirty again).

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

Well, I agree with everything said. Been told by whippet fans I'm off my head ..that whippets are this n that. But when u been ferreting lamping and general walking about with a quick lurcher and a whippet u can't make up what u see.

Iv seen about 12 different whippets next to my dog I have and my old bitvh. The dog I have now is a proper lurcher so not like pure greyhound or coursing fast type etc. and even he out paces whippets. And he doesn't lack in his turning ability either, like a spring chicken lol

[keepitcovert 842]

I have often thought that to breed the perfect lurcher, you would have to copy the attributes of the cat, take the cheetah it has the capability of being twice as fast as the fastest dog, why first of all length of back an attribute often now neglected in the breeding of lurchers, powerful muscles to front and rear legs, and combined with a back that acts like a coiled spring theres no wonder its fast, but at the cost of stamina which it lacks, just my opinion but something to think about.

[brenner 773]

I have often thought that to breed the perfect lurcher, you would have to copy the attributes of the cat, take the cheetah it has the capability of being twice as fast as the fastest dog, why first of all length of back an attribute often now neglected in the breeding of lurchers, powerful muscles to front and rear legs, and combined with a back that acts like a coiled spring theres no wonder its fast, but at the cost of stamina which it lacks, just my opinion but something to think about.

food for thought alright. They also have a very long tail, which helps.

[nothernlite 18,089]

Now if your talking about speed what about the ostrich 60mph no sloping back long tail there's a thought pmsl

[brenner 773]

Now if your talking about speed what about the ostrich 60mph no sloping back long tail there's a thought pmsl

lol. f****d if I'm bringing one of those out for a days ferreting. Wouldnt fit in my boot anyway..

[nothernlite 18,089]

Need a sunroof for one of them to travel lol

[brenner 773]

Need a sunroof for one of them to travel lol

lol

[Bo Duke 420]

Just an observation.... Take a look at the side profile of a bunny.through natural selection ie .survival of the fittest, nature has deemed it necessary to equip these creatures with a roached back and that signature tucked in arse, allowing them to be powerful little sprinters over short distances. Would this description of their profile be a far cry from a dog bred for purpose, and in turn type ( evolution accelerated by man)with no other quarry in mind but the rabbit itself. Let's use the whippet as a comparison. Also the positioning of the bunnies eyes allows it to see danger approach from any direction, in front,from side, up above and almost directly behind.

Again.. Compare this to the sighthound.. Granted like most hunting animals their eyes are positioned at the front of their heads to give an advantage to chasing down prey from behind. But compared to let's say an earth dog the poriforal vision of the rabbit dog is second to none. It makes me think.. Is nature still in control of the evolution of hunting dogs but using man it's tool??? After all, we are all still a part of the cycle of nature. Food for thought! And yes, I'm bored

There is actually very little difference in the peripheral vision between different dog breeds and as for human intervention (selective breeding) when done correctly results can be seen in a relatively short time and whatever your desired traits or features can be bred in or out quite quickly however it can be undone even quicker by poor selection. We can finely tune parts of canines in the short time we are on this planet but we can never match the blueprint nature has already spent millions of years laying down (unless you're religious then one of the thousands of different Gods did all this in twenty minutes)

[Francie 6,368]

Bo its about dogs, so less of your slippery comments, I wouldnt say the dog or rabbit today, has evolved, the dog has been selected by man,from already existing dogs, an the rabbit well has adapted to its envoirment, its just not the dog thats trying to eat rabbit, birds snakes etc, so the evoloution of rab an dog is bollocks lol

 

Show me a good mutation in a dog, never heard of it, or in any other animal, especially one that benifitted the animal. Jmho

Edited March 26, 2016 by Francie

[trigger2 3,146]

I've allways been under the impression that the greyhound is that fastest dog in the world

The whippet is the second.

And the whippet is the fastest accelerating dog in the world.

i had read something similiar to that years ago king. whippet is the fastest dog upto 100yds, then the greyhound upto 1000yds, then the saluki at 1000yds plus. thats why hare corsing is like watching paint dry lol

[Bo Duke 420]

Bo its about dogs, so less of your slippery comments, I wouldnt say the dog or rabbit today, has evolved, the dog has been selected by man,from already existing dogs, an the rabbit well has adapted to its envoirment, its just not the dog thats trying to eat rabbit, birds snakes etc, so the evoloution of rab an dog is bollocks lol

Show me a good mutation in a dog, never heard of it, or in any other animal, especially one that benifitted the animal. Jmho

There's nothing sly about my comment, as a creationist you don't accept evolution and natural history so there's kind of no point in engaging you and I refuse to get into any religious discussion this post is about science, evidence and facts.