Evolution Of The Bunny Vs Evolution Of Rabbit Dog

[brenner 773]

Just an observation.... Take a look at the side profile of a bunny.through natural selection ie .survival of the fittest, nature has deemed it necessary to equip these creatures with a roached back and that signature tucked in arse, allowing them to be powerful little sprinters over short distances. Would this description of their profile be a far cry from a dog bred for purpose, and in turn type ( evolution accelerated by man)with no other quarry in mind but the rabbit itself. Let's use the whippet as a comparison. Also the positioning of the bunnies eyes allows it to see danger approach from any direction, in front,from side, up above and almost directly behind.

Again.. Compare this to the sighthound.. Granted like most hunting animals their eyes are positioned at the front of their heads to give an advantage to chasing down prey from behind. But compared to let's say an earth dog the poriforal vision of the rabbit dog is second to none. It makes me think.. Is nature still in control of the evolution of hunting dogs but using man it's tool??? After all, we are all still a part of the cycle of nature. Food for thought! And yes, I'm bored

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

Good point

[brenner 773]

Has to be said, I borrow the " evolution accelerated by man " quote from a post made by "jeemes" on a different topic but it seemed to fit here

[matt1979 766]

Eyes close together at the front doesn't just mean you can see forwards it means the eyes work together to form accurate distance and focus, essential for a good strike atb

[king 11,984]

Just an observation.... Take a look at the side profile of a bunny.through natural selection ie .survival of the fittest, nature has deemed it necessary to equip these creatures with a roached back and that signature tucked in arse, allowing them to be powerful little sprinters over short distances. Would this description of their profile be a far cry from a dog bred for purpose, and in turn type ( evolution accelerated by man)with no other quarry in mind but the rabbit itself. Let's use the whippet as a comparison. Also the positioning of the bunnies eyes allows it to see danger approach from any direction, in front,from side, up above and almost directly behind.

Again.. Compare this to the sighthound.. Granted like most hunting animals their eyes are positioned at the front of their heads to give an advantage to chasing down prey from behind. But compared to let's say an earth dog the poriforal vision of the rabbit dog is second to none. It makes me think.. Is nature still in control of the evolution of hunting dogs but using man it's tool??? After all, we are all still a part of the cycle of nature. Food for thought! And yes, I'm bored

When people are looking for a pup.or a stud dog.ive never heard anyone saying they've got good eyes or the eyes are to close together.

No matter how long man breeds rabbit catching dogs he wouldn't equal to what nature can produce.

Nature has been making canines and adapting canines for a very very long.time man hasn't.

Nature culls in a different way to man.if a wild dog is born with a genetic fault which plays an advantage to the dog it will better him in hunting.then he will breed that gene into other fellow canines.as in running faster.having a stronger bite etc.

People say the saluki is great at its job catching hares.

But the wolf ain't no slouch either at catching hares and to look at the difference in size.weight.build.

..every thing man touches in nature he wrecks.....

[brenner 773]

Agreed king. Nobody looks for position of eyes when selecting a pup or Stud, it's more a case of form following function. Just look at a sighthounds eyes, are they not positioned differently and much more prominent from the skull compared to the deep set eyes of an earth dog? as I'm sure you know The sighthound that spots the most quarry has a better chance of catching more quarry and therefore has the best chance of being bred from(accelerated evolution). Maybe the name of topic is misleading. I'm not trying to say we have done better with animals then nature has. If u look again at the original post, the punch line is really in the last few lines. also you say genetic faults being passed on.. I'm not trying to nit pick as I'm sure you just chose the wrong term but I would say genetic mutation rather than fault, but with the basic understanding of how evolution works, I agree point for point with you in your explanation . as for the success rate of hares caught in single handed hunts, wolves vs saluki, I have no idea but I'm always willing to be schooled. A.t.b brenner..

[timmy k 591]

I doubt their are any single handed 5 out of 5 hare wolves with the hare having fair law. And as far as humans wrecking things I have to disagree, the problem with humans is we've evolved to fast and nature can't keep up, we've still got the animal instinct which create greed, hate, lust and so on but with compassion and other civilised feelings which create a thunder storm as far as mental well being is concerned. Perhaps some kind of amnesty should be formed to stop anymore progression before Mother Nature falls to far behind. On the subject of rabbit dogs I'd be disappointed if the dog didn't get a higher catch to miss ratio, so yes the dog has evolved better than the rabbit in that sense, but what keeps the rabbit going is it's alarming breeding rate which has pulled it through time and time again. Long live the humble bunny!!

[king 11,984]

I stand corrected brenner mutation would of been better used by myself as you worked out what I was getting at.

But for a single use dog then man has designed the whippet as his ideal rabbit dog as we know.

Ive never heard of anyone using dingo blood in a Sighthound.

I wonder how that breed of dog would serve man.

[socks 32,253]

I stand corrected brenner mutation would of been better used by myself as you worked out what I was getting at.

But for a single use dog then man has designed the whippet as his ideal rabbit dog as we know.

Ive never heard of anyone using dingo blood in a Sighthound.

I wonder how that breed of dog would serve man.

I wouldn't say a whippet is the ideal rabbit dog ... Far from it .......

[king 11,984]

I doubt their are any single handed 5 out of 5 hare wolves with the hare having fair law. And as far as humans wrecking things I have to disagree, the problem with humans is we've evolved to fast and nature can't keep up, we've still got the animal instinct which create greed, hate, lust and so on but with compassion and other civilised feelings which create a thunder storm as far as mental well being is concerned. Perhaps some kind of amnesty should be formed to stop anymore progression before Mother Nature falls to far behind. On the subject of rabbit dogs I'd be disappointed if the dog didn't get a higher catch to miss ratio, so yes the dog has evolved better than the rabbit in that sense, but what keeps the rabbit going is it's alarming breeding rate which has pulled it through time and time again. Long live the humble bunny!!

Man has bred the saluki for a 1 trick pony so to speak so we can't really compare them.

Here's a hare course and watch at the end the Wolf ain't even got his tounge hanging out some serious fitness in them wolves.but obviously they ain't 1 trick dogs.they take a wide array of prey.

As in the dog breeding world.i would say man has wrecked dogs a hell of a lot more than nature has.breeding from unsound dogs.inbreeding bad genes.traits.all for £££

[king 11,984]

 

I stand corrected brenner mutation would of been better used by myself as you worked out what I was getting at.

But for a single use dog then man has designed the whippet as his ideal rabbit dog as we know.

Ive never heard of anyone using dingo blood in a Sighthound.

I wonder how that breed of dog would serve man.

I wouldn't say a whippet is the ideal rabbit dog ... Far from it .......

 

I stand corrected brenner mutation would of been better used by myself as you worked out what I was getting at.

But for a single use dog then man has designed the whippet as his ideal rabbit dog as we know.

Ive never heard of anyone using dingo blood in a Sighthound.

I wonder how that breed of dog would serve man.

I wouldn't say a whippet is the ideal rabbit dog ... Far from it .......

I wouldn't say either socks but man has replicated the whippet to be very similar to a rabbit as in speed.and turning ability.take off speed.etc.

The same as the saluki which goes back thousands of years as mans best attempt of making the ultimate coursing dog.

Why were whippets bred for.??

[socks 32,253]

Only the man/men who first bred them can answer what they were bred for ... There are plenty of theories but who knows what's fact ... There is nothing a whippet can do that a good lurcher can't do better ........

[king 11,984]

Only the man/men who first bred them can answer what they were bred for ... There are plenty of theories but who knows what's fact ... There is nothing a whippet can do that a good lurcher can't do better ........

I've got to disagree with you there socks.

Has a lurcher got the instant take off speed of a whippet I don't think so.

A whippet will and can.get from a to b faster than a lurcher.

[king 11,984]

Depends how far apart a and b are surely?

Well apparently the peasants living in the English woods many years ago were the first people to breed such dogs.so a dog that can move from a to b in the shortest fastest time would be the dog of choice I would think considering they are in woods.

A long course wouldn't be any good amongst loads of trees as in a greyhound.

Were as an explosive off the mark whippet would of suited that terrain a lot better.

[king 11,984]

I ferreted woods for years, learnt how to ferret in woods, and nowt could better a sensible old collie dog , a whippet will only bounce off trees so many times before it gets impaled or kills itself. Years ago maybe the whippets were different but today they are more suited to racing, still good working whippets out there, but speed will get ye so far, then it gets it dead. I like whippets and always have, had good results with them but they don't compare to a lurcher

I was just quoting that a whippet is better than a lurcher as in off the mark speed

Nothing more.ive never owned 1 and don't plan owning 1

Maybe being a small dog with great speed suited the wood living folk.and obviously it took a lot less food to fed it.

Im not a fan of the whippet to be honest.i like them for what they are nothing against the breed.but I would choose a lurcher everything over a whippet. I like a bigger dog allways have.