Some What Interesting... No Calibre War Ya Fanniz

[Deker 3,478]

  On 23/03/2016 at 20:13, jonnie bravo said:

 

  On 23/03/2016 at 17:05, villaman said:

So .22 is the Best then, with heavy pellet and i just bought 5000 + a free tin of FAP pellets

 

I know what i will stick to and it will not be heavies

Don't fall into the trap of which one is better VM. Have you seen the guy martin program where it's an F1 car vs a superbike? That is the .22 vs .177 cal debate all over, where really, they aren't meant to be compared.

 

 

 

 

If the bike and the car had the same energy it may have been nearer the .177, .22 debate, but they didn't, so I don't see your analogy.

[Deker 3,478]

  On 23/03/2016 at 20:19, kanny said:

 

  On 23/03/2016 at 19:40, Deker said:

 

  On 23/03/2016 at 19:24, kanny said:

Analyzing shooting is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it.

 

I rather suspect you are correct, but the technicalities of shooting are VERY important and most people who shoot are involved with that on a day to day basis, even if they don't consider they are.

 

Wind drift, drop, grouping, ammo selection etc etc are all part of that.

 

If you want to get serious and very accurate, then you have to get VERY technical, ask your average country shooter or sniper about technicalities and analysing shooting, and you will find most actually do more of that than shooting itself!

 

I agree that assessing the shot is critical but over analysing a shot or your shooting isn't healthy or productive. I'm a big fan of belief in yourself and your shot combined with decent equipment and your on the right road ..a good example is I've always in 30 odd years shot with a 30/30 ret... I eventually felt I must get a mildot scope and did but soon found for me it was a mistake because it was making me over think the shot and quite destracting whereas and I know this sounds a little corny with the 30/30 I would be more in the moment and feel the shot.. no amount of analysing can compete with plinking what must be 100s of thousands of pellets in my time shooting air rifles....bottom line is do what works for you.

 

 

Whatever works for you!

[mark williams 7,562]

Personally i try to get close, shooting air rifles and decent fieldcraft always gets you close and knowledge gets you opportunities.

At 30 yds, 40 yds max` (for me), the only difference of the calibers is trajectory.

Pin point accuracy is the same.

 

Look at the results given in the video.

 

JSB Exacts 15.9 g .22 cal JSB exacts 8.4 g .177 cal

 

30 meters 6.61 ft/lbs 7.31 ft/lbs

 

35 meters 5.93 6.32

 

40 meters 5.46 6.13

 

45 meters 5.01 5.43

 

50 meters 4.71 5.38

 

 

Very little really between the calibres but "trajectory wise, massive"

 

I`ve just done a hunting session using .22 for the first time in ages, on wood pigeons. I used the lighter weighted Falcon Accuracy Plus 13.43 g .22 dome headed pellets at 31 yards max` ( yards).

I was very impressed by the results of the lighter .22 pellets, so much so that i ordered 5,000 the next day,- utterly lethal on wood pigeons at those ranges.

So (for me) i never stretch range out to 50 or more meters ever. I use some fieldcraft and knowledge to get close, real close. ( I`m a static hunter usually).

 

 

 

Any of you ever used dead wood pigeon on cradles to shoot rabbits ?

 

 

Nobody ?

 

Yep i have and to very good effect too

 

Fieldcraft and knowledge is " far better" than stretched ranges !

 

atb

 

 

P.S Great thread Rez

[pianoman 3,587]

I do actually Mark Dead pigeons well set-up as decoys can lure rabbits out if you make them appear to feed or at least stand naturally with no sense of threat from humans in respect of the prevailing winds and breezes. Static ambush and hide shooting is my absolute favourite MO when I'm out on my permissions.

 

It's an interesting thread here Gentlemen but really, are we just trying a little too hard, filling our heads with information for it's own sake? Or am I a died-in -the-wool sort of chap who really, has used his experience to boil down his knowledge to exactly what he knows will put sport in the bag.

 

These are the only figures I live my air rifle shooting by. They work and I've been shooting this way....You know!

 

I zero my .177 Regal PCP and HW97K spring rifle to 40 metres (not yards) This enables very accurate shooting from 20 to 50 metres or even longer still but, in all honesty, the average furthest distances I shoot to is out to 40-45 metres. Any further is an exception rather than a norm. For that matter, so too are the very close range rabbits. One twitch and usually, it's off back into the hedgerows!

 

I zero my .22 HW77 and my .22 HW80 to 30 metres and cover the same ranges with these guns.

 

I know there is more than enough energy retained in either calibre pellet to do the deed, if my marksmanship is up to the task at these ranges.

 

Good fieldcraft, knowing just where to set yourself up and using quality rifles and the right pellet competently handled by years of good practice and experience is where it really counts in hunting small air rifle game and vermin, surely!

 

If I wanted to be able to hit and kill cleanly at much greater ranges, I'd switch to using a 17HMR or .22LR powder burner!

 

But, of course, if you want to spend time dissecting every ounce of energy over your pellet's flight trajectory to acertain its retained energy on impact with a rabbits bonce or whatever? By all means!

[Deker 3,478]

  On 23/03/2016 at 21:40, mark williams said:

Personally i try to get close, shooting air rifles and decent fieldcraft always gets you close and knowledge gets you opportunities.

At 30 yds, 40 yds max` (for me), the only difference of the calibers is trajectory.

Pin point accuracy is the same.

 

Look at the results given in the video.

 

JSB Exacts 15.9 g .22 cal JSB exacts 8.4 g .177 cal

 

30 meters 6.61 ft/lbs 7.31 ft/lbs

 

35 meters 5.93 6.32

 

40 meters 5.46 6.13

 

45 meters 5.01 5.43

 

50 meters 4.71 5.38

 

 

Very little really between the calibres but "trajectory wise, massive"

 

I`ve just done a hunting session using .22 for the first time in ages, on wood pigeons. I used the lighter weighted Falcon Accuracy Plus 13.43 g .22 dome headed pellets at 31 yards max` ( yards).

I was very impressed by the results of the lighter .22 pellets, so much so that i ordered 5,000 the next day,- utterly lethal on wood pigeons at those ranges.

So (for me) i never stretch range out to 50 or more meters ever. I use some fieldcraft and knowledge to get close, real close. ( I`m a static hunter usually).

 

 

 

Any of you ever used dead wood pigeon on cradles to shoot rabbits ?

 

 

Nobody ?

 

Yep i have and to very good effect too

 

Fieldcraft and knowledge is " far better" than stretched ranges !

 

atb

 

 

P.S Great thread Rez

 

Something isn't right with your figures.

 

The .22 15.9 JSB string is completely wrong, the .22 retains more energy right through that range, not less.

 

At the distances you mention the ft lb results are 7.96, 7.18, 7.05, 6.69, 6.12.

 

You seem to have quoted the light .177 JSB as the .22 figures!

 

Edited March 24, 2016 by Deker

[mark williams 7,562]

Oops ! You are correct Deker - that beer and figures

 

jsb exacts .22 (15.9 g) jsb exacts .177 (8.4g)

 

30 meters 7.18 ft/lbs 6.32 ft/lbs

 

35, 7.18 6.32

 

40 7.05 6.13

 

45 6.69 5.43

 

50 6.12 5.38

 

 

Ah well, the figures are changed " slightly" - the trajectory, fieldcraft and knowledge has not.

 

atb

[Deker 3,478]

  On 24/03/2016 at 08:29, mark williams said:

Oops ! You are correct Deker - that beer and figures

 

jsb exacts .22 (15.9 g) jsb exacts .177 (8.4g)

 

30 meters 7.18 ft/lbs 6.32 ft/lbs

 

35, 7.18 6.32

 

40 7.05 6.13

 

45 6.69 5.43

 

50 6.12 5.38

 

 

Ah well, the figures are changed " slightly" - the trajectory, fieldcraft and knowledge has not.

 

atb

 

:laugh:

 

You still suffering from the beer?!

 

Check your 30 and 35 figures again on Both.

 

Edited March 24, 2016 by Deker

[charlie caller 3,654]

  On 23/03/2016 at 20:13, jonnie bravo said:

 

  On 23/03/2016 at 17:05, villaman said:

So .22 is the Best then, with heavy pellet and i just bought 5000 + a free tin of FAP pellets

 

I know what i will stick to and it will not be heavies

Don't fall into the trap of which one is better VM. Have you seen the guy martin program where it's an F1 car vs a superbike? That is the .22 vs .177 cal debate all over, where really, they aren't meant to be compared.

 

And rather unfair it was too, so we have a multi million pound car with a team of mechanics etc and a man flown in to start it from France, and also wearing slicks for the race, compared with a slightly tarted up BMW 1000rr roadbike, on road tyres, brought in the back of a van,I think the results may have been different if Rossi had turned up on his moto GP bike shod with slicks, and a full team, now I am not suggesting the bike would win,in the race, bikes simply cant get the power down, on corner exit like f1 cars, but it would be very interesting to see the results then, what it did demonstrate however, is that Joe public can walk in off the street and buy a machine, which has,certainly in terms of acceleration,etc close to f1 car performance.

oh and .177 is clearly the best

[Rez 4,961]

  On 24/03/2016 at 08:44, Deker said:

 

  On 24/03/2016 at 08:29, mark williams said:

Oops ! You are correct Deker - that beer and figures

 

jsb exacts .22 (15.9 g) jsb exacts .177 (8.4g)

 

30 meters 7.18 ft/lbs 6.32 ft/lbs

 

35, 7.18 6.32

 

40 7.05 6.13

 

45 6.69 5.43

 

50 6.12 5.38

 

 

Ah well, the figures are changed " slightly" - the trajectory, fieldcraft and knowledge has not.

 

atb

 

:laugh:

 

You still suffering from the beer?!

 

Check your 30 and 35 figures again on Both.

 

 

 

F'kinel Dekker... you actually read Marks posts...

 

[Rez 4,961]

  On 23/03/2016 at 21:40, mark williams said:

Personally i try to get close, shooting air rifles and decent fieldcraft always gets you close and knowledge gets you opportunities.

At 30 yds, 40 yds max` (for me), the only difference of the calibers is trajectory.

Pin point accuracy is the same.

 

Look at the results given in the video.

 

JSB Exacts 15.9 g .22 cal JSB exacts 8.4 g .177 cal

 

30 meters 6.61 ft/lbs 7.31 ft/lbs

 

35 meters 5.93 6.32

 

40 meters 5.46 6.13

 

45 meters 5.01 5.43

 

50 meters 4.71 5.38

 

 

Very little really between the calibres but "trajectory wise, massive"

 

I`ve just done a hunting session using .22 for the first time in ages, on wood pigeons. I used the lighter weighted Falcon Accuracy Plus 13.43 g .22 dome headed pellets at 31 yards max` ( yards).

I was very impressed by the results of the lighter .22 pellets, so much so that i ordered 5,000 the next day,- utterly lethal on wood pigeons at those ranges.

So (for me) i never stretch range out to 50 or more meters ever. I use some fieldcraft and knowledge to get close, real close. ( I`m a static hunter usually).

 

 

 

Any of you ever used dead wood pigeon on cradles to shoot rabbits ?

 

 

Nobody ?

 

Yep i have and to very good effect too

 

Fieldcraft and knowledge is " far better" than stretched ranges !

 

atb

 

 

P.S Great thread Rez

 

Ta Mark. Best watch the video myself then...

[mark williams 7,562]

Think i`ll miss the beer out tonight

 

 

atb