It all about bottle...

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Hi there,...after a wee bit of advice from you rifle guys...

 

I have recently purchased an AAS410 .22

The seller was kind enough to fill this gun up for me ,.so that I would have enough air in it to facilitate sighting it in.

 

Obviously the day will arise when I need to purchase my very own bottle,...so,.do I try and find a second hand one or should I forgo the weekly allowance spent on curry and red wine,..bite the pellet ,.and purchase a new one ?

 

 

What should I do for the best ?...

 

Kind regards,..CHALKWARREN..

[Bryan 1,362]

get a pump,saves you money for more curry and wine, and helps work off the curry.

or else get a bottle they need a fill every 100 shots or so(fill to 190 bar for most shots,but most of them shoot at same power from 160 bar to 100 bar) any dive shop should be able to sort you out

Bryan

[proper job 1]

I use a pump, but I must admit I have to go for a lie down after I've filled the bugger from empty

[bill88 6]

My Daystate gives 70- shots a fill,i have a 3 litre 232 bar bottle,i get 15 fills from the bottle,and the bottle costs £2 to fill.Pump will sicken you in no time if your shooting a lot

[Deker 3,478]

Chalk

 

How are you...did you see the pics of the squirrels from that job I was talking about....all taken with the Air Rifle!!!

 

If you use the gun a lot and want to get really fit buy a pump, if you only use it rarely maybe think about buying a pump.

 

But the answer I would give is BUY A BOTTLE. There is nothing wrong with second hand, Air Rifle bottles (Valves) are subjest to 5 year safety checks and this will be stamped on the bottle. If you only intend to use 100 shots a year buy a small bottle..... but again I would suggest you buy at least a 12Litre 232 Bar bottle.

 

Cheers

 

Deker

 

PS I have a Falcon but that S410 is a cracking tool, hope you get on well with it!

[woodchip 2]

buy a bottle stay away from second hand one as some of the dive shops want to see the 5 yr test certificate and you dont know what may of happened to the bottle try lambert and wiltshire in ringwood they done me a good deal on a bottle

[andy s410c 59]

Chalk if your using the gun several times a week i would get a bottle but if your a weekend warrior like meself a stirrup pump will suffice :download: i keep my 410c around the 150-180 bar mark as i think its a bit more consitent

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Many thanks for all your kind advice...

 

 

Good shooting there Decker,...

 

All the best,...CHALKWARREN...

[leegreen 2,150]

Pumps are proper poo trust me save your money get a bottle. Pumps are for marathon runners with f--ck all else to do.

[T78 4]

well,i prefer a pump,self contained,no need to test and easier to lug about! i always come in from shooting,clean the gun and top it up with air which doesnt take a lot of time or effort.and im not a marathon runner!

Edited November 28, 2007 by pitindall1978

[bill88 6]

Chalkwarren,do not be worried about buying a second hand bottle,especially if it has been (surface use only)A new 3 litre 300bar bottle will cost you around the £200 mark,second hand you'll only pay half that if not less.Any seller with half a brain will state whether the bottle is in test or not.Your bottle will need testing every two years (visual) and full pressure test every five.If its surface use only,it will only need testing every five years.When tested the bottle will be stamped,with a test date,therefore you wont have any worries about whether the bottle is in test or not.As for bottle size,well decide how often you will be shooting,and how many shots you'll likely be firing.I for one wouldn't want an almost full 12 or 15 litre 300 bar bottle sitting around my property for any length of time,i'd much rather be using a bottle that is being filled fairly regularly say once every 4-12 weeks,that way the bottle is being (worked) which is safer and more reliable where the valve and the bottle are concerned.Most of my shooting is in the field,so i'm not shooting hundreds of shots every week,therefore my bottle is plenty (232 bar 3 litre) this size bottle can also be put in a rucksack and carried,should you be unsure whether you may need to top up on the go,however if i was at the range and putting hundreds of pellets through it,then i'd prefer something with more pressure and capacity.

If you want to know how many shots per bottle your likely to get then download a programme called CHAIRGUN (a tenner but well worth it) its a ballistics programme for air rifles,that will give trajectorys,sight zero's,chrono,figures etc etc,it will also tell you how many fills you will get from any size bottle.All you need do is enter the guns air capacity,and working pressure range,then enter bottle poundage and capacity,it will tell you exactly how many shots you will get from a full bottle. Hth's,Bill

[Deker 3,478]

Chalkwarren,do not be worried about buying a second hand bottle,especially if it has been (surface use only)A new 3 litre 300bar bottle will cost you around the £200 mark,second hand you'll only pay half that if not less.Any seller with half a brain will state whether the bottle is in test or not.Your bottle will need testing every two years (visual) and full pressure test every five.If its surface use only,it will only need testing every five years.When tested the bottle will be stamped,with a test date,therefore you wont have any worries about whether the bottle is in test or not.As for bottle size,well decide how often you will be shooting,and how many shots you'll likely be firing.I for one wouldn't want an almost full 12 or 15 litre 300 bar bottle sitting around my property for any length of time,i'd much rather be using a bottle that is being filled fairly regularly say once every 4-12 weeks,that way the bottle is being (worked) which is safer and more reliable where the valve and the bottle are concerned.Most of my shooting is in the field,so i'm not shooting hundreds of shots every week,therefore my bottle is plenty (232 bar 3 litre) this size bottle can also be put in a rucksack and carried,should you be unsure whether you may need to top up on the go,however if i was at the range and putting hundreds of pellets through it,then i'd prefer something with more pressure and capacity.

If you want to know how many shots per bottle your likely to get then download a programme called CHAIRGUN (a tenner but well worth it) its a ballistics programme for air rifles,that will give trajectorys,sight zero's,chrono,figures etc etc,it will also tell you how many fills you will get from any size bottle.All you need do is enter the guns air capacity,and working pressure range,then enter bottle poundage and capacity,it will tell you exactly how many shots you will get from a full bottle. Hth's,Bill

 

 

Bill88 Chalk

 

My bottle is 12L 232 bar but my gun runs at 26ft lb...Now..if I had thought, or known more about this PCP business all those years ago when I bought it I would have got something like a 9-10-12L 300Bar bottle. The problem is for Air Rifles, unlike diving, we tend to only use the high end pressure and never need a "fill"...we only ever need a "top up"...especially if you are running FAC tools. If you only EVER intend to fire a few shots every year and NEVER intend to push it up to FAC levels then I totally agree with Bill88 (something like 3L 300Bar). If you think you make get into fairly heavy usage or go FAC get a bigger volume...but still 300bar bottle.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Many,.many thanks for ALL your well -thought out advice...

This year,..I will mostly be shooting,.'Feral Pigeons',..after dark...

Probably + per treatment = £ Curry and a Fine Red ...

 

From what has been said, it would seem that with the light usage that I will be asking of this gun,.a large gas bottle would be an unessesary expense.

I'm not much of a shooting man,..and the gun is simply a tool for the job in hand...

 

Once again,.I thank you...

 

[spudlington 3]

I'm sure you probably know this but as it initially confuses most diving students i thought i'd point out that it's a simple matter to work out the actual volume or 'free air' contained in a cylinder by multiplying its flooded volume by the actual pressure in the cylinder at that point, ie

 

 

3litre cylinder at 232 bar holds 696litres of air

 

3litre cylinder at 300bar holds 900 litres of air

 

7 litre at 232 bar holds 1624 litres

 

7litre at 300 bar holds 2100 litres

 

10litre at 232 bar holds 2320 litres

 

10 litre at 300 bar holds 3000 litres and so on

[bill88 6]

Right Chalky i've done the maths for you.If you have a 410 classic/carbine,in .22,you will get shots per 190 bar fill.

If you buy and fill a 3litre,300bar bottle,you will get 11,full 190 bar fills,with each fill after that equalizing with the guns chamber pressure,at a lower pressure (less shots per fill).

Simply put,you would get 900ish full power shots per 3 litre,300 bar bottle.