sights

[paddy.t 5]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

[mad al 146]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

 

 

Hi Paddy,

Is your rifle a lefty or ambi? I'd say your cheek is in the wrong position, if you move closer etc to the scope, can you see then?

 

[mole catcher 1]

shot in the dark but what type of gun is it?

 

on my falcon it has 2 gripping bands that when the stock is fitted the whole gun can be given a lean to one side in the stock, this would throw the sight of the line of true sight it it was leaning away from you.

[paddy.t 5]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

 

 

Hi Paddy,

Is your rifle a lefty or ambi? I'd say your cheek is in the wrong position, if you move closer etc to the scope, can you see then?

 

 

 

 

1sec mate ill have a see, i can see perfect shooting right handed but not left

[mad al 146]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

 

 

Hi Paddy,

Is your rifle a lefty or ambi? I'd say your cheek is in the wrong position, if you move closer etc to the scope, can you see then?

 

 

 

 

1sec mate ill have a see, i can see perfect shooting right handed but not left

 

 

What about what MC suggested then?

[paddy.t 5]

im confused because there is a grove on the left hand side of the gun but i can not see through the sights, but when i hold it right handed i can see perfectly through the sights the make of the gun is: WEST LAKE

 

 

i don't realy know a lot about air rifles, please help:D paddy

Edited November 28, 2007 by paddy.t

[Deker 3,478]

I'm struggling with this one...are we talking sights or a scope.......you are either looking down or through them whichever way you hold the gun, if it works right handed it WILL work left handed if you keep your line of sight the same...I'm not trying to be funny but you are simply not looking through them properly....I do totally accept if the gun is right handed this can be a problem if you use it left handed. But it the sights work correctly on the right but not left and then correctly on the right again the sights WORK..you are simply not looking through them correctly.

 

 

 

 

Molecatcher...this bit.....

 

on my falcon it has 2 gripping bands that when the stock is fitted the whole gun can be given a lean to one side in the stock, this would throw the sight of the line of true sight it it was leaning away from you.

 

If the metalwork is not mounted perfectly vertical to the stock the pellet will not fly true to the scope, it will appear to fly like a diagonal, (for example, at 20 yards high right, 30 yard zero, 40 yard low left). Its easy to get wrong on the Falcon and f*****g hard to get absolutely correct. If this is his or anyone elses problem it needs fixing immediately!

 

Deker

[paddy.t 5]

I'm struggling with this one...are we talking sights or a scope.......you are either looking down or through them whichever way you hold the gun, if it works right handed it WILL work left handed if you keep your line of sight the same...I'm not trying to be funny but you are simply not looking through them properly....I do totally accept if the gun is right handed this can be a problem if you use it left handed. But it the sights work correctly on the right but not left and then correctly on the right again the sights WORK..you are simply not looking through them correctly.

 

its a scope mate 4X28, i realy dont know because i look down them exactly the same each side:S ill keep trying tho, see if i can work it out, thanks a lot:D

[paddy.t 5]

BUMP

Edited November 28, 2007 by paddy.t

[mole catcher 1]

Molecatcher...this bit.....

 

on my falcon it has 2 gripping bands that when the stock is fitted the whole gun can be given a lean to one side in the stock, this would throw the sight of the line of true sight it it was leaning away from you.

 

If the metalwork is not mounted perfectly vertical to the stock the pellet will not fly true to the scope, it will appear to fly like a diagonal, (for example, at 20 yards high right, 30 yard zero, 40 yard low left). Its easy to get wrong on the Falcon and f*****g hard to get absolutely correct. If this is his or anyone elses problem it needs fixing immediately!

 

Deker

 

 

let me explain, the bands have a thread that the bolts screw into through the stock. these grip the mecanisiam (spelling?) the centre of the barrels bore is dead centre regardless of how you tilt metal work. this movement im talking about isnt massive but is noticable, enough to throw of a true sight picture. as for being accurate, cant fault it

 

as for the pellet not flying true, isnt it the point of aim we adjust ( via your scope adjustments) to the point of impact?

[Deker 3,478]

Molecatcher...this bit.....

 

on my falcon it has 2 gripping bands that when the stock is fitted the whole gun can be given a lean to one side in the stock, this would throw the sight of the line of true sight it it was leaning away from you.

 

If the metalwork is not mounted perfectly vertical to the stock the pellet will not fly true to the scope, it will appear to fly like a diagonal, (for example, at 20 yards high right, 30 yard zero, 40 yard low left). Its easy to get wrong on the Falcon and f*****g hard to get absolutely correct. If this is his or anyone elses problem it needs fixing immediately!

 

Deker

 

 

let me explain, the bands have a thread that the bolts screw into through the stock. these grip the mecanisiam (spelling?) the centre of the barrels bore is dead centre regardless of how you tilt metal work. this movement im talking about isnt massive but is noticable, enough to throw of a true sight picture. as for being accurate, cant fault it

 

as for the pellet not flying true, isnt it the point of aim we adjust ( via your scope adjustments) to the point of impact?

 

Molecatcher,

I know how the Falcons work, every time I strip mine down it takes ages to remount it in the woodwork absolutely vertically! It doesn't matter how you rotate the barrel but the scope MUST be absolutely vertically above (or Below) the barrel otherwise the pellet will fly diagonally with regard the scope. Same applies to ALL RIFLES. Imagine worst case where the scope was mounted at 90 degrees to the side. The scope looks in a straight line but the pellet drops, in a straight line, unless scope is vertical to barrel it will "seem" that the pellet travels diagonally to the scope giving only 1 finite point of impact, rise and drop at different distances will be useless as the pellet will in all cases either be left or right of this except at the absolute zero! It doesn't matter if the barrel is mounted 90 degrees to the woodwork, as long as the scope is vertically above it, but the scope mounts to the grooves at the top of the breech block and therefore unless everything is mounted vertically the scope will be either left or right of the barrel not vertically above it.

 

Trust me, its easier to draw a diagram to explain but your scope only has adjustment for elevation and windage, you cannot adjust it for diagonal travel, that is why it is vital the scope is mounted...and the gun held verticaly. It is a common fault in shooting, but most commonly due to not holding the gun and therefore scope vertically, and always produces either left or right shots at the point of impact if this is either longer or shorter than the zero point! Many people experience this phenominum but do not not what causes it...now they do!

 

Its never easy to explain this one but I hope you get the idea!

 

Cheers

Deker

 

PS I don't think its anything to do with paddy t problem here though!

[mole catcher 1]

decker...... couldnt agree with you more about what you have just said, but that is just what iwas trying to say to paddy.

 

of course what i was saying about the angle of lean isnt going to be massively over exagerated, of course it will always have an effect on a persons shooting as will the way you sit, stand lean against something every time you take a shot in a differant position from that of zeroing.

 

i like you have many years experiance shooting rifles, hell i even represented my county shooting in door 10meter targets. this is where the fractions of error can leave you a good few points behind your rival but if its a simple case of not getting a scope picture then i dont think were dealing with a small margin of error

 

what we have been told is leaving it wide open to what the problem is

 

could it be simple hes not mounting the gun correctly? cheap scope? focal bell set wrong for his eye relief?

 

hard to sort out over a pc screen but it seems to me he has a left handed gun and trying to shoot it right handed, which like mine being a left handed gun will throw a right handed shooters line of sight right off. who knows

[BIGPETE 0]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

I reckon it's probably on of the following

1. The stock is not ambi so the comb is missing when shooting from the opposite hand causing eye alignment to be well out.

2. You may have a lead eye. ie stronger/better vision in one eye and when changing to the other this will become much more apparent which will mean the eye bell/focus ring will be well out causing sighting difficulties. If the eye relief is wrong you would have problems also. Both these problems will stop you shooting well but you would still be able to use the scope, in a fashion anyway!.

3. I have seen a guy that could use both hands equally well in most tasks but when it came to shooting it was awfull to watch. He would naturally select his right shoulder for shooting and found that this was the only comfortable way he could hold the air rifle but he would try to shoot using his left eye as this was his strongest eye, this meant he was craning his head/neck over the comb so that he could sight the rifle with his left eye.

 

So in short, my opinion is this. If the scope is OK with one eye it will be OK with the other, Just keep at it, you will get there if it is only a matter of finding the correct eye relief.

You MUST use right shoulder right eye or left shoulder left eye. I know this will seem very obvious to a lot of people but I thought it was worth a mention.

 

Please let me know how you get on.

 

Regards,

 

Pete.

[Deker 3,478]

Mole catcher

 

As I said above I don't think this is his problem.......but as you are obviously aware it is a problem lots of people suffer from without knowing what the problem is. I'm so glad you understand this one, the problems I have had trying to explain this to people over the years...they either don't believe you or just don't understand.!!!!

 

Any way, as I also said if it works right handed, but not left, but then it does right handed again and so on, all it can be is the way he is looking down the scope...gun mount.....they don't start and stop working just because you change eye...and I'm assuming he does change eye..I know one lefty who still shoots with the right eye...a sight to behold!

 

Pistol man eh! 10 metres...I'm assuming its pistol of course, or was it air tools, I only ever shot pistols at that distance, rifle stuff started at 25 but then again I never shot air tools in competition? We shot 10 yards for pistol (bring back the Empire). F*** the ban...have you seen how much gun crime has increased since they took away our pistols? But that's another thread......!

 

Deker

Edited November 29, 2007 by Deker

[Deker 3,478]

hi

 

i can only see through my sights when i shoot right handed little bit of a problem as i shoot left handed.

 

would be very grateful if anyone could help me out......

 

 

 

thanks paddy

I reckon it's probably on of the following

1. The stock is not ambi so the comb is missing when shooting from the opposite hand causing eye alignment to be well out.

2. You may have a lead eye. ie stronger/better vision in one eye and when changing to the other this will become much more apparent which will mean the eye bell/focus ring will be well out causing sighting difficulties. If the eye relief is wrong you would have problems also. Both these problems will stop you shooting well but you would still be able to use the scope, in a fashion anyway!.

3. I have seen a guy that could use both hands equally well in most tasks but when it came to shooting it was awfull to watch. He would naturally select his right shoulder for shooting and found that this was the only comfortable way he could hold the air rifle but he would try to shoot using his left eye as this was his strongest eye, this meant he was craning his head/neck over the comb so that he could sight the rifle with his left eye.

 

So in short, my opinion is this. If the scope is OK with one eye it will be OK with the other, Just keep at it, you will get there if it is only a matter of finding the correct eye relief.

You MUST use right shoulder right eye or left shoulder left eye. I know this will seem very obvious to a lot of people but I thought it was worth a mention.

 

Please let me know how you get on.

 

Regards,

 

Pete.

 

Bigpete...

 

.....you sneaked that one in whilst I was replying to Mole catcher......I think his problem is simply the bit I have highlighted above, caused by poor mount or possibly simply trying to use the "wrong" eye. Virtually everyone has a "Dominent" eye but I find it difficult that this could be the problem.....I think we are generally all agreed it is simply a matter of making sure the eye is aligned with the scope!