Breeding Young Terriers

[Daniel cain 45,893]

Few years back I was stuck for a sire after my 6 yr old bitch lost a litter to my proven old black dog,I tried again next time she came in but unfortunately he was to old (13/14 at the time)there was only two dogs out of him that I had access to,one a full son to a very well bred bitch and his full sister.obviously I used the dog lol- now he self entered at a 12 months and was dug twice that day working like an old pro,used him a few more times and then put him away till the next season.when that came he was flying and didn't put a foot wrong-funny thing was I dug him with a few lads I didn't really know to well,on more than one occasion I was offered 500/600 pound for him,even after explaining that he was young and could still fail ,didn't bother them.lol.second season towards xmas he got a bit to rough so finished him up so not to spoil him.after the bitch lost the pups at 52 days I thought f**k it if I don't use him I have f**k all-he might get stolen because I'd refused to sell him,could die in the ground or could walk?anyway I used him over the proven bitch,had 4 pups lost 2 black dog pups (choked I prefer the blacks) anyway had 1 dog and 3 bitch pups,I sold 1 bitch for 200 notes and twenty back for good luck the lads travelled from Yorkshire, few boys I knew told me they ed have a pup if it was gifted lol I told them to f**k off!wouldn't trust them with a ferret-that's another story-they all turned on me and started talking shit-I'm thick skinned and couldn't give a rats arse,few months later the lad who's bitch was the dam to my pups young sire,offered me a black pup who's sire was no other than the Young dog I had used,his dam was a half sister to the young dogs dam -funny thing was the lad who I originally gifted the young dog too had no idea they had used him-heard they sold all the chocolate pups for 300 pound each and then gave my mate the black pup after his dam walked and they pts-she was supposed to go back to my mate-he then told me they had bred her at 14 months old-wow hard to believe -anyway I didn't get on with the black pup he was a scapper-I stupidly gifted the other dog from the litter of 4 to the same lads that had his half sister and was left with 2 bitches and the black dog.got them entered but black pup and smooth chocolate bitch just wanted to scrap my other terriers so I gave them away to a young lad who I met through work-he still has them and they are working to a tidy standard-same as the rest of the pups.in the past I'd of never bred from a dog or bitch before they were at least 5/6 yr old-BUT with the bad choices and limited blood I did what I had to do or other wise I'd have nothing-I'm not the sort of person who likes to ask for help (always willing mind to help out others-never seem to learn even after being tucked so many times)Turns out that if I hadn't I'd of lost the blood from my old black dog because the lad that had the sire to my pups now can't give me a straight answer to what happened to him?says he lent him to his old man's mate.wtf-I won't gift pups to anyone again because I thought he was a good lad I've known 15 yrs or more-I was honest with the lads that had the pups off me sired by that young dog and they had no problem-like I said they have all started and I hope they keep at it.maybe it was a fluke that the young dog produced workers at a young age I don't know-would I do it again?if It ment not having to deal with slippery f***ing liars then hell YES I would use a young dog who's breeding I knew and trusted.abit long winded but that's my take on it-you never know what's around the corner,few bad choices or a run of bad luck and anyone of us could be dogless-then have to wade through the shit until you find another good un.atb dc

[Onlyworkmatters 1,584]

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

 

Can you not go to the dogs sire,if you're worried about losing the bitch before taking a litter off her use her sparingly or not at all if she has proven herself worthy of breeding from, work the bollocks off the dog and then use him over the bitch.

[taz2010 1,297]

look for a good stud dog,sure someone will line her for you if she is a good bitch,plenty of lads with good dogs on here,

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

How olds the bitch mate ?

If shes proved herself over two or three seasons to be reliable then what i would do is this .Do your homework with the line owner and find a dog thats been studded before therefore hopefully proven as not only a worker but a thrower of workers too .Dont be put off by age but question if hes younger than your bitch,the line owner will know his stuff .Use him over her and test the offspring whilst getting your dog the work he needs to keep it sane .Use your dog over one or more bitches you have kept back and you are off .There is no quick fix to breeding the best ,many have tried and failed so just give it some thought .Think ahead and not just for next season .The main thing is honest with yourself and giving dogs a fair crack to prove themselves .

[fat man 4,741]

this is why there is shite about,i think this subject as been done many times,my opinion test the dogs you are going to breed from not one season,not 2 but several i would never breed a bitch till she had atleast 5 seasons behind her or the dog no matter how she is bred but thats only my opinion on the mattter,to much shite been thrown about by exactly doing this and you wonder why loads are looking for decent terriers rant over

Yes Taz but then your talking of breeding a bitch that is 7 or at least heading for 7 year old,you then have to wait another 14-18 months to see what you have and if the mating dont work out your sort of f****d as your bitch is then heading on 9 year old and geting a bit long in the tooth for breeding from imo.A decent bitch from decent lines you should know exactly what you have after a couple of good seasons,ive always maintained good bitchs are harder to find than good dogs so better to be looking at a litter on the ground,keep whatever you need for yourself and surplus gift to your digging mates then everyone knows the score.

[resistance 189]

Hard choice.but think the answer would have to be a no no.

[taz2010 1,297]

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

 

id say im more likely to keep a pup from a dog that as 5/6 years graft behind it that a dog that has done fxxk all and has never proven itself no matter how its bred

[taz2010 1,297]

 

this is why there is shite about,i think this subject as been done many times,my opinion test the dogs you are going to breed from not one season,not 2 but several i would never breed a bitch till she had atleast 5 seasons behind her or the dog no matter how she is bred but thats only my opinion on the mattter,to much shite been thrown about by exactly doing this and you wonder why loads are looking for decent terriers rant over

Yes Taz but then your talking of breeding a bitch that is 7 or at least heading for 7 year old,you then have to wait another 14-18 months to see what you have and if the mating dont work out your sort of f****d as your bitch is then heading on 9 year old and geting a bit long in the tooth for breeding from imo.A decent bitch from decent lines you should know exactly what you have after a couple of good seasons,ive always maintained good bitchs are harder to find than good dogs so better to be looking at a litter on the ground,keep whatever you need for yourself and surplus gift to your digging mates then everyone knows the score.

 

why breed from a dog when its proven nothing plenty of good stud dogs if ya that stuck no matter how stuck you are this is the reason there is so much shite about, im one for keeping lines going but if i was stuck and lost my line id look for a stud would not even think of putting a young dog over a good bitch that has never proven himself and i mean never

[Guest Navek]

If your breeding only for your self then breed the bitch cull all the pups that your not keeping for you self then that way if they fail you've only let your self down and no anyone who had a pup off you.and then ther won't be a litter of shite floating about.

[fat man 4,741]

 

 

this is why there is shite about,i think this subject as been done many times,my opinion test the dogs you are going to breed from not one season,not 2 but several i would never breed a bitch till she had atleast 5 seasons behind her or the dog no matter how she is bred but thats only my opinion on the mattter,to much shite been thrown about by exactly doing this and you wonder why loads are looking for decent terriers rant over

Yes Taz but then your talking of breeding a bitch that is 7 or at least heading for 7 year old,you then have to wait another 14-18 months to see what you have and if the mating dont work out your sort of f****d as your bitch is then heading on 9 year old and geting a bit long in the tooth for breeding from imo.A decent bitch from decent lines you should know exactly what you have after a couple of good seasons,ive always maintained good bitchs are harder to find than good dogs so better to be looking at a litter on the ground,keep whatever you need for yourself and surplus gift to your digging mates then everyone knows the score.

 

why breed from a dog when its proven nothing plenty of good stud dogs if ya that stuck no matter how stuck you are this is the reason there is so much shite about, im one for keeping lines going but if i was stuck and lost my line id look for a stud would not even think of putting a young dog over a good bitch that has never proven himself and i mean never

 

Im not on about the young dog,you said you would not breed of a bitch with less than 5 seasons behind her.I personally would not breed of a young dog that had nothing done but as i said if you leave your bitch until she is 7 year old and the mating does not work out then your sort of f****d,jmho.

[Jack1234 10]

Thanks very much for the feedback. The bitch has 2 seasons behind her and she is as hard as nails, maybe too hard which is what I am kind of afraid of for her own sake. I'm relatively new to digging and don't have any other dog of my own to choose as a sire. I was just thinking of how it might be worth a try because it would be my own breeding. I wouldn't be selling any pups they would between me and my 2 hunting friends I have no interest in making money from dogs. And I know I could try to get a stud dog but even though I'm new enough to the game I have seen that there aren't many in it that don't look for a lot in return for a favour and could do without the hassle of dealing with users!

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

 

Maybe you're right Mary, we should wait 'till they're dead before breeding from them !!!!!!!

[HPR 1,161]

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

 

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

No because what Neil's saying is the dogs done nothing so if you breed it now then test it later and it's a jacker then you've got pups off a jacker . Then would you do the right thing ? . If both parents are six years old then they've both have been tested if the pups end up jacking at least you've done all you could do .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Be a good boy and ask the line owner for advice

[Mary 352]

 

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

 

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

Maybe you're right Mary, we should wait 'till they're dead before breeding from them !!!!!!!

Now now Neil, calm down with them exclamation marks, you'll hurt your finger. You asked about the pups on the ground the following winter when the stud has jacked, regardless of age the sire will always be know as a jacker, thus, there will always be doubt.