Breeding Young Terriers

[neil cooney 10,416]

Years ago it was the norm and done thing to work a dog til he jacks ,shoot him and use his untried brother .Thankfully we have moved on .

I missed this post the last time but years and years ago it was common practice among Cockers to fight a cock but not breed from him but breed from his un-fought brother as they believed that the virility used up by fighting would mean less virile offspring.

Never heard of the same theory in dogs though but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if ol' timers did believe it.

[pablo esc 1,598]

If you got your own family of dogs,.all your own stuff tried and tested, you should have no problem going back to the original sire, grandad, etc. Especially if you have all the dogs between you,. A family of dogs and your own strain,

[dillydog 8,463]

I think the reverent J Russell said the same Neil

[pablo esc 1,598]

Does anyone have any experience of breeding of, say, the younger dog, same breeding or close as to your chosen dogs. Like, better or equal producer and having the ability of the young dog having being at a age to have a better fertility in its prime. Can they produce the same workers?

[neil cooney 10,416]

It's a good question Pablo and not something I've ever thought about regarding the breeding of terriers ,BUT, I do a lot investigating in to how others breed different animals for performance and one thing I've seen several times regarding the breeding of game cocks for gameness is they say "age on one side, youth on the other."

[pablo esc 1,598]

Some people go to that dog for the breeding or what it's done. I don't agree with what everyone I know says, was in bn yard a few times and his stud dog seemed younger and I wouldn't know how long worked, but he was putting one to another because he knows the breeding and the way the related.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Lol,disregard BN as a role model for breeding pabs or you'll end up same .

[pablo esc 1,598]

Yes your probably right. He knows the right way and produced consistently. But I saw myself with him and others dogs getting bred younger and as soon as the on heat and breeding to people's dogs, which he said would only do if it has three quarters of his breeding, I saw different. And all the selling of dogs

[tinytiger 831]

 

 

I mean guy's who, are selling them and stud for the max £,... / I don't mean tp

 

Dont think TP has any of that stuff left about him now,could be wrong.

no don't think he has, Teddy gone a couple of years ago and was very old, I know a man got the service and had very good hard capable one's, not a sound. The son of Ted he gave away is dead, it was over six, headcase, men would lend it,he gave it to someone I know and got it to cover a bitch, there all going well too.i told that someway he had bred the ngr dog a few ways in the son, etc?

dog called provo by any chance?

[lonespade 51]

This is my view on the subject.. I believe one should test,any working breed before it's bred. There is culls in every litter that hits the ground, who's to say you didn't breed to the cull? Truth be told, you don't know because he wasn't tested. That being said,producing ability is something a terrier is born with, nothing can or will ever change its producing ability as they are born with that particular trait..

[runem 533]

Why would you want to breed of two dogs regardless of their age , if as you stated they have done very little work ??

Lets say you keep one pup maybe two , all you would be doing is decreasing the amount of work any of the dogs now see . Ok so you could say , you will use the pups more , but wait a minute , will they be any good ?, who knows as the parents were not worked.

[rippem 455]

I dont understand why so many worry about how old the dog is. Someone was saying like 6 years. Thats along time to do a breeding and if it takes one that much time to see what he needs to see to use one for breeding then perhaps he needs new glasses. I believe its good practice to bred worker to worker also but lets face just because it works doesnt mean its gonna throw a worker. Sometimes thats all he is, is a worker. Ive seen old pit men bred off of cold dogs and produced great workers then ive seen them bred great workers and got shit..mother nature is crazy.

[lonespade 51]

I dont understand why so many worry about how old the dog is. Someone was saying like 6 years. Thats along time to do a breeding and if it takes one that much time to see what he needs to see to use one for breeding then perhaps he needs new glasses. I believe its good practice to bred worker to worker also but lets face just because it works doesnt mean its gonna throw a worker. Sometimes thats all he is, is a worker. Ive seen old pit men bred off of cold dogs and produced great workers then ive seen them bred great workers and got shit..mother nature is crazy.

those cold dogs were performance bred.. don't forget to add that very important fact.. a cold dog from garbage lineage won't stand a snowball chance in hell.. the only reason that cold dog produced was because they had been bred from proven working stock and certain genes were already in place.. if not for that,they can't produce something that was never put into them.. Edited January 27, 2017 by lonespade

[lonespade 51]

But, I do however agree with you.. if it takes you 6 years to figure out what you are digging too, maybe you should hit the field a little more often..

[Glyn..... 5,208]

i've bred from young terriers , a couple of times , because now and again you get some shit luck as in both cases lost at work and stolen as with all pups they then get tested , in the real world well in mine if i waited until every terrier i was to bred from had to be 6 or over , i wouldn't of kept the little family going , planning is all well and good but when your planned stud dies at 5 years 11 moths and 29 days where do you go because if his sire is still alive he's now over 12 , a couple of seasons work you know what you got

Edited January 27, 2017 by Glyn.....