Breeding Young Terriers

[leethedog 3,071]

I've braced my self for a good shouting at here so here goes . If the young dog comes from a well worked line and the bitch also comes from a well worked line and both sets of pairants are grafters is it not the average of the blood that would come through in the pups ???????

 

Pairants I mean young dogs and bitches

Edited March 1, 2016 by leethedog

[pablo esc 1,598]

Well, thats what you'd be looking at in the breeding, and what connects them. Can two flukes with no real breeding or unknown, produce?

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pablo esc

Today, 12:25 AM

Well, thats what you'd be looking at in the breeding, and what connects them.

 

Can two flukes with no real breeding or unknown, produce?

 

YES.

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pablo esc

Today, 12:25 AM

Well, thats what you'd be looking at in the breeding, and what connects them.

 

Can two flukes with no real breeding or unknown, produce?

 

YES.

But still need testing

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

 

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

Maybe you're right Mary, we should wait 'till they're dead before breeding from them !!!!!!!

Now now Neil, calm down with them exclamation marks, you'll hurt your finger. You asked about the pups on the ground the following winter when the stud has jacked, regardless of age the sire will always be know as a jacker, thus, there will always be doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are people's opinions on breeding a young dog with little or no work done. I have a working terrier bitch and want to breed her soon. Have a young dog with nothing done but came from a line of good stuff. Would it be worth a chance trying him with the proven bitch?

As someone said they are your terriers to do what you want with.

BUT, ask yourself this......if your breed of that young dog and next Winter when you have 6 or 7 month old pups of him and he is no good, what do you do ?

Would the same scenario not apply to a 5 or 6 year old dog?

Maybe you're right Mary, we should wait 'till they're dead before breeding from them !!!!!!!

Now now Neil, calm down with them exclamation marks, you'll hurt your finger. You asked about the pups on the ground the following winter when the stud has jacked, regardless of age the sire will always be know as a jacker, thus, there will always be doubt.

 

That's what I said.

Is it any wonder there's so many badly bred terriers out there ?

Breeding of an untried dog ??????????

Madness.

There's a man living in Ireland now who got his hands on one of the best lines out there.

He thought all he had to do was breed and breed. He made a lot of money for a few years as he bred a lot of one particular untried dog.

The following generation was a different story but he still went another generation breeding from an untried dog.

Talk about destroying a good line of terriers ???

Luckily, the same line was also in the hands of those who knew how to breed and test them.

 

And now there's lads asking can two flukes produce ???????

Flukes or freaks as we call them are called that because they came off bad workers.

So to put 2 of them together is madness as you're putting 2 terriers together that came off 4 non workers.

It's hard to believe that there's lads who say they're keeping terriers years to even come up with these silly theories.

 

The biggest factor in deciding whether a dog or bitch is good enough to breed from is under the ground. Digging to them on good testing quarry. Simple as that.

Work is deciding factor.

So if the terrier's done no work and you're even contemplating breeding from it then you have no right to call yourself a terrierman.

Such practices are a sign of a peddler who has not got the breed to heart.

Edited March 2, 2016 by neil cooney

[howdeeposxxt 1,448]

Patience Patience Patience. And you will be much the better for it I no your bitch will b getting older but at least you will know what type of dog you have got to put over her. What ever you do all the best and i hope it works out which it may very well, but its the not knowing with an unproven dog , just not been as confident with the pups turning out so good as a bloke would if he threw over a proven dog. Their is no right and wrong. But common sense can come into it.

[fat man 4,741]

Neil i would not say he destroyed the line as he only had a small portion of it if its the same man im thinking of,the line is still very strong and will be because of the men who have it.He was always a ££££££ man and always will be,even more so when he got his half hour of fame on the telly.

[mad4it 694]

as above.

If it was me and I wanted to breed I would ask to use the sire of my dog pup, At least you will have a start other wise it a waiting game to see if dog proves himself. I wouldnot breed of two young unproven terriers no matter what even if they are of good lines, certain breeds of terrier are slow to mature so wouldnt be ready to breed at a young age. at the end of the day it down to you or as said ask the owner of the line you want to carry on for advice.

[pablo esc 1,598]

Really what your doing is unbreaking a line, a line of workers and what does tell you about the men doing it, some think the higher in the game and will always be them. The don't really know what good game, situations and grit and certainly don't know the testing zone

[francolin 449]

jack as I stated befor, the terriers are yours it come down to what you decide, you said you would like to start something of your own terrier wise, that is fair enough, put plenty of game infront of the dogs you have, make sure you are starting with decent workers not inferior stock,and you may get something of your own to be proud of ,it all depends how serious you are about produceing decent terriers,atb.

[pablo esc 1,598]

Ust to hear of a few, look down at you types of guys, few years ago who would say, the bitches don't get worked, like the were the authority of the digging game, there voice and word

[Jack1234 10]

Thanks very much for all the feedback. I'm new enough to the digging game so i don't have any other dog of my own to choose from as a sire. As well even though I'm new enough to it I have found out already that there are a lot of men with dogs who if they do you a turn i.e. stud dog, they think you owe them your life and have something over you. I could do without the hassle of dealing with people I don't want to be dealing with. Im not into selling dogs and have no interest in making money from them and any pups that would be had would be between me and my 2 good hunting friends and if they work they work and if they don't then goodbye. So there won't be shit floating around. I know that the sire should be proven but if the dog works next season and something happens the bitch then I'm back to square one. I spent good money and did good research into buying the terriers I have as pups and I am a believer in rearing pups yourself for yourself instead of trying to buy working dogs. Because in reality people dout sell working terriers!

[francolin 449]

Ust to hear of a few, look down at you types of guys, few years ago who would say, the bitches don't get worked, like the were the authority of the digging game, there voice and word

no man is a authority of the digging game Pablo,if some think themselves better than others,thats there problem mate, its only opinions

[pablo esc 1,598]

Good advice, and how it is,yes its good not to be sucked into that lark

[neil cooney 10,416]

Neil i would not say he destroyed the line as he only had a small portion of it if its the same man im thinking of,the line is still very strong and will be because of the men who have it.He was always a ££££££ man and always will be,even more so when he got his half hour of fame on the telly.

I said that in my post. But unfortunately in the few years of churning out pups the original breeders name goes on them.

I know well that the line is in good hands.